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Will White House be forced to respond to Texas secession petition?
American Thinker ^ | 11/13/2012 | Rick Moran

Posted on 11/13/2012 11:37:37 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 11/13/2012 11:37:43 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I think a second civil war could happen again.


2 posted on 11/13/2012 11:39:40 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: SeekAndFind

Its over 75,000 now.

Interesting.

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3 posted on 11/13/2012 11:41:41 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: SeekAndFind

They’ll wipe their ass with the petition and life will go on.

Obama’s not going to go down in history as the man who let the country fall apart.


4 posted on 11/13/2012 11:42:50 AM PST by Tzimisce (Will there be anything to fight for in 2016?)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Start the cold civil war now.
Go Galt.


5 posted on 11/13/2012 11:43:10 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

They’re not “sunshine patriots”. They’re patriots of the Republic of Texas.

Calling the “sunshine patriots” is like calling the Founders “secessionist traitors to England who should have worked within the system.”


6 posted on 11/13/2012 11:43:27 AM PST by altsehastiin
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To: SeekAndFind

RICK IS A D*CK


7 posted on 11/13/2012 11:43:33 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: SeekAndFind
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8 posted on 11/13/2012 11:44:10 AM PST by CMailBag
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines; MrB

The US has not had a civil war. A civil war consists of factions fighting for control of the central government. It is not the same thing as groups or states wishing to split from the the rest of the country. Whatever you want to call it - the war between the states or the war of northern aggression- it was NOT a civil war.


9 posted on 11/13/2012 11:45:39 AM PST by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: SeekAndFind

Please, this is just silly.
Its an online petition.
The WH will respond with a thank you for your interest in our Democracy. End of conversation. Meanwhile 25,000 plus people just had their names added to the enemies list.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 11:45:44 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Yes, yes, that’s true.

1st war for independence, 1776, Win
2nd war for independence, 1861, Loss

Tie breaker?


11 posted on 11/13/2012 11:47:56 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

RE: Meanwhile 25,000 plus people just had their names added to the enemies list.

Make that 77,237 on the enemies list (as of this writing).


12 posted on 11/13/2012 11:48:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I see nothing wrong with preparing for the inevitable day that the great ship United States founders.

One would have to be a damn fool to not prepare for the eventuality espechially when it’s well known that captain is steering you into the rocks.


13 posted on 11/13/2012 11:48:45 AM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: SeekAndFind

People who participate in this are not showing patriotism.

They are showing support for dismantling the United States.

What we need to focus on, are the policies and methods we will use to turn this situation around.

All you have to do, is look at the states involved in this, to know this is a futile effort.

New York, New Jersey, Oregon... folks, you’d wind up with a situation much like what you’ve already got. You’d also wind up with a severely socialist nation on your border.

This petition stuff makes us look one dimensional, and nutty.


14 posted on 11/13/2012 11:49:12 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: TLI

.3% of the population of Texas.


15 posted on 11/13/2012 11:49:22 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

“I think a second civil war could happen again.”

This time the states will be on the right side of the moral issues.


16 posted on 11/13/2012 11:49:48 AM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sure, they’ll deny it. And probably sic the IRS on everyone who signed it.


17 posted on 11/13/2012 11:49:48 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

“I think a second civil war could happen again.”

This time the states will be on the right side of the moral issues.


18 posted on 11/13/2012 11:49:59 AM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

“I think a second civil war could happen again.”

This time the states will be on the right side of the moral issues.


19 posted on 11/13/2012 11:50:09 AM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: MikeSteelBe

Sorry for the triple post.


20 posted on 11/13/2012 11:52:02 AM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: SeekAndFind

0bama will acknowledge these petitions as well as he’s responded to Benghazi. These petitions are lists of people 0bama wants to know about. I’m sure ‘Big Sis’ will gladly take these names and put them on ‘no fly’ lists.


21 posted on 11/13/2012 11:52:32 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: SeekAndFind
Giving up. Surrendering. Is there any other way to describe their cowardice?

So, this says to me, "Hail, Obama the King"?

It is broken, FRiends. We no longer own our country. The Fedrool Gum't has co-opted our monies, our properties, and our livelihoods. Regulations, taxes, and redistribution are the law of the land, now. The States are sovereign, but titless...

I will go with those Founders who broke ties with the form of gum't which reduced them to serfs or less! They were common folk just trying to make a life in a new world. THIS IS A NEW WORLD!

The TEA Party was a citizen rebellion due to unjust actions by the recognized gum't. The Declaration of Independence was given to that king by our Patriot Founders when the Throne no longer wanted to do anything but tax, tax, tax.

Sound familiar? But now, it is not only that we are taxed to death (and beyond), but class warfare, racial warfare, and redistribution is the only thing going FORWARD!.


22 posted on 11/13/2012 11:53:21 AM PST by WVKayaker ("Mitt Romney couldn't keep up with lies and spin of Barack Obama" - Sarah Palin 10/24)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m not a secessionist ... but I don’t by the “sunshine patriots” trope. They’re no more sunshine patriots than were Jefferson, or Adams, or Robert E. Lee, or Sam Houston.

These are good people that are tired of negotiating how they live their own lives with statists in California and New York; of fighting for the freedom of fellow citizens who resist genuine liberty at every turn; of trying to convince the “governed” to stop consenting to encroachment in exchange for pitiful “benefits”.

They’ve realized the country doesn’t seem to want them around, and they’ll be fine on their own. The country needs them more than they need it.

“When in the course of human events ...”

Atlas eventually shrugs.

SnakeDoc


23 posted on 11/13/2012 11:53:29 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Texas survived one Obama term, and we'll survive another. The rest of you are screwed.)
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To: Tzimisce

Actually, I think when he said he wanted to “radically transform” the nation he was saying he DOES want to go down in history as the man who tore apart this country. And I think he’s pretty much already succeeded.


24 posted on 11/13/2012 11:53:36 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: SeekAndFind
The White House will respond by opening the Southern Border and declaring Amnesty, Texas will then be a deep blue State.

Count on it.

25 posted on 11/13/2012 11:53:51 AM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: MrB

Here’s a more important discussion I’d like to start — IS THE UNION A PERMANENT STATE? OR DOES THE CONSTITUTION PROVIDE A MEANS FOR STATES TO SECEDE?

Here’s what I personally believe ( and I could be wrong ).

The original 13 states formed a “Confederation,” under which each state retained its “sovereignty, freedom, and independence.” The Constitution didn’t change this; each sovereign state was free to reject the Constitution. The new powers of the federal government were “granted” and “delegated” by the states, which implies that the states were PRIOR and SUPERIOR to the federal government.

Even in The Federalist, the brilliant propaganda papers for ratification of the Constitution (largely written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison), the United States are constantly referred to as “the Confederacy” and “a confederate republic,” as opposed to a single “consolidated” or monolithic state. Members of a “confederacy” are by definition free to withdraw from it.

Hamilton and Madison hoped secession would never happen, but they never denied that it was a right and a practical possibility. They envisioned the people taking arms against the federal government if it exceeded its delegated powers or invaded their rights, and they admitted that this would be justified. Secession, including the resort to arms, was the final remedy against tyranny. (This is the real point of the Second Amendment.)

Strictly speaking, the states would not be “rebelling,” since they were sovereign; in the Framers’ view, a tyrannical government would be rebelling against the states and the people, who by defending themselves would merely exercise the paramount political “principle of self-preservation.”

The Constitution itself is silent on the subject, but since secession was an established right, it didn’t have to be reaffirmed. More telling still, even the bitterest opponents of the Constitution never accused it of denying the right of secession.

Three states ratified the Constitution with the provision that they could later secede if they chose; the other ten states accepted this condition as valid.


26 posted on 11/13/2012 11:54:08 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Do you think your name isn’t already on their lists? You post on Freerepublic!!!! LOL


27 posted on 11/13/2012 11:54:29 AM PST by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: Tzimisce

You are wrong. Obama WANTS this nation to fall apart. We are in the middle to end stage of the “fundamental transformation of America”. Including open, obvious unconcealed voter fraud, that would make a third world country blush.


28 posted on 11/13/2012 11:55:21 AM PST by Toespi
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To: SeekAndFind
Sounds like the country folk in “Fly-Over” land are tired of being dictated to by the big coastal cities.
29 posted on 11/13/2012 11:56:16 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Amnesty should be the straw, they are out of control, amnesty with 9% unemployment, they are drunk on their power!


30 posted on 11/13/2012 11:57:00 AM PST by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: MrB

So true, I’m starting to believe the civil war was just put on hold until they could get the blacks to help the confederates enslave all of humanity!


31 posted on 11/13/2012 12:00:15 PM PST by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: Tzimisce

Hussein will talk down to the petitioners and Big Media will proclaim victory for their messiah — for being a “Uniter”.


32 posted on 11/13/2012 12:01:36 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: SnakeDoctor; All

I’d like you and every one else on this thread to consider one case -— Texas v. White, which was argued before the United States Supreme Court during the December 1868 term.

Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase read the Court’s decision, on April 15, 1869.

Chase (then the Chief Justice), ruled in favor of Texas on the ground that the Confederate state government in Texas had no legal existence on the basis that the secession of Texas from the United States was illegal.

The critical finding underpinning the ruling that Texas could not secede from the United States was that, following its admission to the United States in 1845, Texas had become part of “an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible states.” In practical terms, this meant that Texas has never seceded from the United States.

However, the Court’s decision recognized some possibility of the divisibility “through revolution, or through consent of the States”

Now, I do not like revolution. We already went through something like this in the 1860’s and over 620,000 lives were lost.

But what does “consent of the states” mean?

My understanding is this — IT IS NOT UP TO OBAMA OR THE WHITE HOUSE TO GIVE CONSENT. EVERY SINGLE STATE IN THE UNION WILL HAVE TO VOTE TO ALLOW TEXAS TO SECEDE.

Good luck with that.

As the Lyrics of the Song by the Eagles said: “You can check out anytime you like but you can NEVER LEAVE.”


33 posted on 11/13/2012 12:02:42 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Pining_4_TX
civil war  noun a war between political factions or regions within the same country.
34 posted on 11/13/2012 12:04:27 PM PST by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s answer this question first...

How many times in Obama’s 4 years has he been required BY LAW to simply respond to a LEGAL court order... let alone produce any information or documentation proving his eligibility to hold office?

How many times did that happen? and how many times did he comply?

Answer that question, and you have your answer to this one.


35 posted on 11/13/2012 12:04:35 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: SeekAndFind

Czechoslovaks, Soviets, Yugoslavs and Sudanese didn’t think their nations would ever break apart, either.


36 posted on 11/13/2012 12:05:26 PM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: altsehastiin

The author of this ridiculously abbreviated piece is all wet if he calls them ‘Sunshine Patriots”, and thinks they’re cutting and running.The people that are cutting and running in the wake of this election are those that are still fretting about “what went wrong” and how we really have to think about Hispanic outreach seriously, etc. etc.,and how to avoid making the same mistakes “next time”. Will there BE
a next time? is what this petition implicitly asks.
Whatever anyone may think of it, this
is the ONLY provocative thing I’ve seen to fully assess what one group believes the real options are, and act on them in a formal and dignified way.


37 posted on 11/13/2012 12:06:08 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: SeekAndFind

No. If it’s not signed by celebs, it’s not worth their time. However, in return, the WH will do everything in it’s power to slap down every state that questions them.


38 posted on 11/13/2012 12:07:18 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nothing in the US Constitution says that the Union is like a street gang (”blood in, blood out”) or a roach motel. Besides, what nation in its right mind would bloodily suppress a secessionist movement in the age of instant news. If Texas really, truly wants out of the Union, DC would be hard-pressed to stop it.


39 posted on 11/13/2012 12:08:44 PM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: DoughtyOne

As far as I know, virtually ALL of the 50 states have this same petition going, so don’t suggest it’s just “kook” states.


40 posted on 11/13/2012 12:10:21 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: SeekAndFind

“Will White House be forced to respond to Texas secession petition?”

No. He won’t—he’s the dear leader. He’ll do anything he wants.

If he does respond, it will probably be something like “Sorry ‘bout your luck, Bub” or he’ll just blow it off completely and go play golf. He’s god, remember? And is only accountable to himself.


41 posted on 11/13/2012 12:11:00 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve read Texas v. White. I’m aware of the legalities surrounding secession. I wasn’t talking about that. Secession is likely impossible without bloodshed — even if it were legal. It took blood in 1776. It took blood in 1836. The attempt took blood in the 1860s. And ... we’ve come a long way since the weapons of the 1770s, 1830s or 1860s. A war for Texas independence is likely one we can’t win. We’re outgunned.

Like I said, I’m not for secession ... but I’m sensitive to the accusation that those that are are necessarily less “patriotic” than those who oppose it. They are wrong. But, they are wrong for the right reasons.

SnakeDoc


42 posted on 11/13/2012 12:12:50 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (Texas survived one Obama term, and we'll survive another. The rest of you are screwed.)
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RE: Besides, what nation in its right mind would bloodily suppress a secessionist movement in the age of instant news.

Yep, I was just thinking about that... will the other 49 states form a military alliance to forcibly tell Texas — “You cannot secede or we’ll kill you like the North did to the South during Lincoln’s time”?

Not sure if this can happen. In fact, if any, I’d say the Red States would be sympathetic to Texas and I’d probably think that there are more Red State Soldiers than Blue State Soldiers.


43 posted on 11/13/2012 12:16:22 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: DoughtyOne

“People who participate in this are not showing patriotism.”

Then technically neither did George Washington Thomas Jefferson or the people at Washington On The Brazos.


44 posted on 11/13/2012 12:17:15 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: TLI

Obama will just ignore it like he does everything else and if that doesn’t work he will make jokes ,sore loser jokes and then invent something phrase like Birther


45 posted on 11/13/2012 12:17:26 PM PST by molson209
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To: SnakeDoctor

Please see post 33 (especially the part about risking bloodshed in an age of instant news broadcasting—and instant video). Governments tend to be squeamish about that sort of bad publicity.


46 posted on 11/13/2012 12:17:29 PM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: Tzimisce
"Obama’s not going to go down in history as the man who let the country fall apart."

I wouldn't bet my 401(k) on that one.

47 posted on 11/13/2012 12:18:32 PM PST by Baynative
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

The cold civil war has already started. It won’t take much at this point for it get hot. God help us.


48 posted on 11/13/2012 12:21:22 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: SeekAndFind

True dat, especially so in the case of career NCOs. And I recall hearing someplace that the Northeastern (i.e. liberal) states haven’t met their recruitment quotas in years. Without the south (and I include WV, KY and MO as the south), mountain west and much of the midwest, we’d have hardly any active-duty military at all.


49 posted on 11/13/2012 12:21:29 PM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: supremedoctrine

You’re right, it’s just kook people.

Why is the United States as powerful as it is? In part, it’s this powerful because there are 311 million people in it.

How much power do you expect the ‘break-away’ nation to have, with 50 million in it? It will have no military, no Navy, no Airforce, no standing army...

Gosh, I can’t wait to be voiceless on the world stage.

Can you imagine what respect we would get at any international gathering? We would be completely ignored.

In 1964 Goldwater was trounced in all but one state. Conservatism was not defeated. In 1972 the Republican party won a massive victory.

Buck up folks. Obama is self-destructing before our very eyes.

This Benghazi/Petraeus scandal is going to come very close to taking him down.


50 posted on 11/13/2012 12:23:10 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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