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Should Texas be allowed to secede from the union?
CNN ^ | November 14th, 2012 | Jack Cafferty

Posted on 11/15/2012 9:42:16 AM PST by Pfesser

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To: grobdriver

That’s what I was going to say; secession is not something one gets permission for.


21 posted on 11/15/2012 10:00:01 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: all the best

Absolutely and well said! Exactly! Well done.

To agree with your main point about our own Independence -

It was illegal and high treason to rebel against the lawful, legal authority of the Crown of England under King George III and to defy his edicts and ‘laws’.

It was an even greater act of sedition and treason to suggest that the Colonies were of right, ought to be free and independent states from the Crown. We would define that today as secession. The Founders seceded from the Union established with England for over 150 years before July 2nd 1776.

It was settled by our Founders who took a risk of death for treason to declare that the Crown no longer had any legal authority over them. Once the legal authority was imposing tyranny and usurping the rights of liberty granted by God, the prince no longer had authority under God to rule over a free people.

Once the State/Crown - made itself higher than God’s Laws, then the people are no longer obligated to submit to such authority - and have, by right the duty to throw off such government and secure new guards for their liberty.

Secession is what our Founders initiated. It was a risk with a low chance of success - but it was decided by enough Godly and principled men that liberty was more important than life in chains and risked death to secure God’s authority as sovereign over their lives.

So why should we be any different just because the federal tyranny says, like the King of England, that Independence from their rule and authority is treason and unlawful?

If we would die free men, then their courts, congress and His Heinous Obama - have no power over us that we who are under the Law of Nature’s God, are required to submit to.

All they have is the ability to impose their tyranny by brute force and punishment. If we submit to such authority then we have broken the First Commandment and the Lord of Hosts is no longer our Sovereign.

If the Creator is our Sovereign - then we have as a duty to refuse, resist and not comply with those acts of tyranny being imposed by the threat of force.

If the Chinese invaded and put a gun to your head and said “submit to us or else!” would you cower - or resist? There is NO DIFFERENCE between a foreign enemy that would put a gun to your head and that of your family while confiscating your property - and the Domestic federal enemy who is doing the same damn thing.

They have no power over a free people except that which the people willingly surrender to them. Their laws, orders, decrees and rules are no longer of any authority over a people they intend to subjugate.

Do not comply. Refuse. Resist. Die free.

And that is what it may come to.


22 posted on 11/15/2012 10:00:17 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Pfesser

I would sign a Petetion to have the bluist of Blue states to secede.


23 posted on 11/15/2012 10:00:17 AM PST by Leep (Are you smarter than a 7th grade math student and or Barack 0bama?)
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To: Pfesser

Quitters!


24 posted on 11/15/2012 10:00:17 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: drew

Would Sam have let Mexicans overrun his state? Texas will be lost forever in twenty years. It’s now or never.


25 posted on 11/15/2012 10:02:07 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: Pfesser

Texas is a big State, but I doubt even Texas could hold all of the people who would be leaving the US for citizenship in Texas.


26 posted on 11/15/2012 10:02:14 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Pfesser
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27 posted on 11/15/2012 10:04:37 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church shows up at your funeral)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

I agree about Alaska: it would be a natural fit for a new union. One thing to remember about poor states like Ole Miss: a lot of the poor are blacks who would be upset about secession because they want to live under a black Prez. Give them the option to load up their stuff and head on up north. They could repopulate Detroit, for example. Then whites in Mississippi would be left to join the new Union.


28 posted on 11/15/2012 10:06:00 AM PST by paglia444
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To: Pfesser

Can’t imagine revolutionairies petitioning to anyone for permission revolutionary.

Is that the way we did it in the American Revolution?

A fraction of the people were FOR the American revolution, a fraction against, and those in the middle talked it to death.

Seems the FOR’s didn’t care, didn’t ask, but did it anyway and won.


29 posted on 11/15/2012 10:06:58 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Pfesser
"...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

LONG OVERDUE.

30 posted on 11/15/2012 10:07:47 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Mouton

Problem is - and Independent Texas will have enemies on two sides

Mexico on the South, and the Federales on the North.


31 posted on 11/15/2012 10:09:02 AM PST by PGR88
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To: equaviator

No. Beginners.


32 posted on 11/15/2012 10:09:28 AM PST by Pfesser (I miss President Reagan.)
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To: Pfesser
I haven't seen any polling on the issue, but I would be shocked if even 10% of Texans want to sever their bonds with their country, the USA. Texans are as patriotic today as they ever were and very few will become associated with any movement predicated on hatred of the USA. I just hope that this anti-USA secession talk doesn't tarnish the patriotic credentials of the conservative movement.

Texans love the NFL and Texans love America. They're not going anywhere.

33 posted on 11/15/2012 10:09:38 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Pfesser

No.


34 posted on 11/15/2012 10:13:03 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Venturer

That’s perhaps the biggest truth! Some other states need to come along so we have enough room for everyone!


35 posted on 11/15/2012 10:13:03 AM PST by myrabach
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To: Venturer

That’s perhaps the biggest truth! Some other states need to come along so we have enough room for everyone!


36 posted on 11/15/2012 10:13:21 AM PST by myrabach
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To: Pfesser

Why does CNN have their collective panties in a bunch over this when the MSM in general has ignored the “reconquista” and Atzlan movements for years?


37 posted on 11/15/2012 10:13:21 AM PST by pfflier
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To: Mouton

Leave, annex and reconquer. Sounds good to me.


38 posted on 11/15/2012 10:14:08 AM PST by mkboyce
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To: Pfesser

It is not treasonous to be a patriot when one sees the constitution tread upon


39 posted on 11/15/2012 10:14:23 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: PGR88
Problem is - and Independent Texas will have enemies on two sides Mexico on the South, and the Federales on the North.

Yes, but Texas would have freedom to actually secure its own border and deport illegal aliens, to say, California.
40 posted on 11/15/2012 10:14:48 AM PST by altsehastiin
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