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Scott Walker will not implement state 0-care exchange!
Newstalk 1130, Milwaukee ^ | 11/15/12 | Mark Belling

Posted on 11/15/2012 4:06:45 PM PST by grumpygresh

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To: grumpygresh
Yes!

We're doomed here in MA, but it's nice to know that there's some fight left in other parts of the country.

The comparison between moonbat and non-moonbat states should be... predictable.

51 posted on 11/15/2012 8:24:59 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: grumpygresh

I guess us Arkansans are doomed with our democrat governor......


52 posted on 11/15/2012 8:24:59 PM PST by Die_Hard Conservative Lady (When all the working class leave California what will be left?)
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To: DaiHuy

Read this .... all the reasons why a state should say ‘no’:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333040/obamacare-still-vulnerable-michael-f-cannon


53 posted on 11/15/2012 8:29:27 PM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: grumpygresh
The Fed exchanges have no funding mechanism, and spending bills must originate in the House.

Didn't the Cryer say that "Obamacare is the law of the land"?

Can some patriots get his ear?

54 posted on 11/15/2012 8:32:03 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: CatherineofAragon

What???

From:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333040/obamacare-still-vulnerable-michael-f-cannon

State-created exchanges mean higher taxes, fewer jobs, and less protection of religious freedom. States are better off defaulting to a federal exchange. The Medicaid expansion is likewise too costly and risky a proposition. Republican Governors Association chairman BOB MCDONNELL (R.,Va.) agrees, and has announced that VIRGINIA WILL IMPLEMENT NEITHER PROVISION.

There are many arguments against creating exchanges.

First, states are under no obligation to create one.

Second, operating an Obamacare exchange would be illegal in 14 states. Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Utah, and VIRGINIA have enacted either statutes or constitutional amendments (or both) forbidding state employees to participate in an essential exchange function: implementing Obamacare’s individual and employer mandates.


55 posted on 11/15/2012 8:36:48 PM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: grumpygresh

Great News from a man that tries to adhere to principle, try to find ways to get things done. Unlike Boner


56 posted on 11/15/2012 8:49:58 PM PST by Steelers6
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To: grumpygresh
"employers will not pay the penalty"

I have a nephew who is an actuary at a huge insurance company. Their clients are large corporations. GM for instance.

He says they have run the numbers on ObamaCare for many clients. All the clients tend to opting to accept the penalties. His company is also running the numbers for massive conversion to temporary employment.

yitbos

57 posted on 11/15/2012 8:51:39 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: grumpygresh

we fight on in the states. thank God for tea party conservatism and its champion gov. walker.


58 posted on 11/15/2012 8:54:03 PM PST by dadfly
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To: bruinbirdman

The employers will accept the penalty over insurance. But the states w/o a penalty will be better than states with a penalty. This will be like right to work vs forced unionization. Pretty much all the jobs created in the so called recovery have been in right to work states. The economic conditions between red states and blue states will grow; that’s good.


59 posted on 11/15/2012 9:10:30 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: grumpygresh
"The employers will accept the penalty over insurance."

Eventually, there will be no private health insurers and all health care will be nationalized.

Some private facilities may remain for up front fees. The good stuff will be off shore.

Don't forget, socialists hate free enterprise, profit and private property. There is still plenty to be confiscated.

Might as well add rule of law to that list.

yitbos

60 posted on 11/15/2012 9:19:24 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: grumpygresh; DoughtyOne; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
Scott Walker WI is the REAL deal. He takes Dems face on and he doesn't blink even when they mobilize against him. He outsmarts them, he out-talks them and he crushes them.
He looks and sounds good on camera he doesn't say stupid stuff on camera that Dems can use against him, unlike our national Rs.

My very first political cartoon video was one supporting Walker during his Ohio standoff when the Dems ran out of state (>43K views) to stop him, and they still failed.
A Liberal Teacher explains Union Busting(Feb 26, 2011 youtube)

I couldn't do this with Romney this race. He gave me no good material to use.

61 posted on 11/15/2012 9:28:03 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: donozark

Only fly in the ointment - our Gov. Jay Nixon is a Democrat. The legislature is Republican. Doubt if the Gov joins the group.


62 posted on 11/15/2012 9:34:34 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: mwl8787

Take Missouri off that list. Our Democrat Gov. has been trying to sneak around and implement it, even though the voters have rejected it TWICE, and Republican legislature keeps it blocked.

I don’t think our Gov will be joining the group.


63 posted on 11/15/2012 9:38:22 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: roses of sharon

Florida governor Rick Scott is caving. He said “I’m responsible for the families of Florida ... If I can get to yes, I want to get to yes.”

Incoming Florida Speaker of the House Weatherford and incoming Florida Senate President Gaetz, both Republican, intend to work on ways to implement only certain parts.

So Florida is being screwed over. At the hands of Republicans.

I hadn’t thought so but I see now that Scott is an unprincipled weasel. He’s not alone in his weasel RINO world. These people campaign on issues and state their principles. Once elected these principles devolve into positions.

Scott’s position is changing because other people were elected or lost elections. Like Boehner he believes “the people have spoken” and he therefor must proceed to capitulate to the Dems.

So much for principle.

If Republicans would stand by their principles they would do much better and not loose elections. The Dems surely aren’t going to support them so why do they pizz on their base? There will be no one left to support them after that. Such idiots.


64 posted on 11/15/2012 9:44:19 PM PST by Ray76 ("We're ready to be led" - John Boehner, leader of the opposition)
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To: LuciaMia

The point is that if the state’s participate in setting up this debacle, the regime will have them co-opted in it’s ultimate failure. Walker’s point is that the regime will never allow him to set it up the way he would want to, so what’s the point. Let Obama own it. Makes good sense. BTW - Belling also said that his sources said there were about 20 GOP govs that agreed to resist.


65 posted on 11/15/2012 10:13:13 PM PST by usnadad
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To: worrywart
He is a former physician

The only way for an extant mortal to become a former physicianis to have his license lifted for cause.

66 posted on 11/15/2012 10:32:28 PM PST by gasport (An untied bib tie looks sloppy but an untied bow tie means the party is just beginning.)
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To: grumpygresh

67 posted on 11/15/2012 10:44:35 PM PST by tsowellfan (Allen West for Speaker!)
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To: madameguinot

Appreciate it.


68 posted on 11/15/2012 11:40:44 PM PST by Silentgypsy (If you love your freedom, thank a vet.)
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To: sickoflibs

I’m not arguing with you here, but I swear, you could have run a dead collie and I would have voted for it over Obama.

And that collie would have been much more believable than Romney during the primary process.

LOL


69 posted on 11/15/2012 11:47:53 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: max americana

Love this guy. He can communicate, and he does a damn fine job of it. Looks like 2016 material to me. He has guts and youth and fire in his belly to do the job. And he’s conservative.


70 posted on 11/16/2012 1:41:25 AM PST by itssme
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To: grumpygresh; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; ...

Wisconsin ping, in case you haven’t heard: Scott Walker will NOT establish an insurance exchange for obamacare.

FRee Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


71 posted on 11/16/2012 1:43:45 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: grumpygresh; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; ...

Wisconsin ping, in case you haven’t heard: Scott Walker will NOT establish an insurance exchange for obamacare.

FRee Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


72 posted on 11/16/2012 1:44:22 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: grumpygresh

Way to go Walker.

Since Obama likes to play the ‘I won’ game, I think it would be a hoot if the states he lost all refused to sign on.


73 posted on 11/16/2012 2:01:06 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: grumpygresh
I also heard that a group of GOP governors would do likewise and make a group announcement tomorrow!

Oooo, this does sound interesting.

74 posted on 11/16/2012 2:02:10 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: gasport

We can quit seeing patients. I would say that makes one a former physician.


75 posted on 11/16/2012 2:08:06 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: grumpygresh

Good for Gov. Walker and God Bless him!


76 posted on 11/16/2012 3:43:38 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: MissMagnolia

Here’s another good take on how the battle now has shifted to states. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gracemarieturner/2012/11/14/the-obamacare-battlefront-shifts-to-the-states/

The effort to repeal has two strikes against it, from SCOTUS and from the recent election. So while the task is more difficult, the game is by no means over. Remember that it took 13 years to repeal Prohibition. But also remember that the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act was repealed within 6 months of being implemented. Major parts of Obamacare don’t get implemented until 2014. At that point, the SHTF.


77 posted on 11/16/2012 4:16:22 AM PST by DrC
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To: grumpygresh

Meanwhile we have a month extension to decide which just tells me my ‘Republican’ governor is going to give it a big thumbs up. He’s just hoping the maelstrom will die down enough to agree to it without a ton of flak.


78 posted on 11/16/2012 4:21:32 AM PST by ShadowDancer ("Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong.")
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To: Ray76
If Republicans would stand by their principles they would do much better and not loose elections. The Dems surely aren’t going to support them so why do they pizz on their base? There will be no one left to support them after that. Such idiots.

Principles have to be in the core, not on the sleeve. Reagan had them in his core. Romney wore them on his sleeve. Sorry to see your governor had them in the same place as Romney. :-/

79 posted on 11/16/2012 4:39:17 AM PST by COBOL2Java (The GOP-e said "Beat a Marxist with a Liberal!" What a colossal blunder.)
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To: grumpygresh

Blueprint for States to Reject and Replace Obamacare

http://townhall.com/columnists/kenblackwell/2012/07/27/blueprint_for_states_to_reject_and_replace_obamacare

“Third, if employers with 50+ employees do not provide federally-approved healthcare, Obamacare imposes a $2,000 penalty per employee, per year. (Minimum penalty $100,000.) However, that penalty is triggered when those employees receive tax subsidies from a state-based exchange.

Since HHS-run exchanges have no subsidies, for states refuseing to create exchanges, no employer in that state will be subject to that penalty. This means business owners will band together to lobby their state not to set up exchanges.”

If employers can’t afford to pay the fine most will simply fire their employees until they get under 50.


80 posted on 11/16/2012 4:52:20 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Pence in Indiana is officially out of the exchanges as well.


81 posted on 11/16/2012 5:03:34 AM PST by MustKnowHistory
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To: greeneyes
Gov. Nixon announced last week Missouri would not be setting up a health care exchange. Today is the deadline for doing so and the legislature will not be in session until Jan.

This means of course, that good 'ol Uncle Sugar will be setting it up. SCOTUS already said Obi Care is legit.

Weese all sheeples now...

82 posted on 11/16/2012 5:30:31 AM PST by donozark (The voices inside my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!)
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To: donozark
Deadline has been extended. Nixon may have said that exchanges would not be set up, but I don't trust him or some of the liberal legislatures as well as McCauslin.

There's already been efforts to do it under the radar last session. Just saying, if Nixon could have his way we would be setting up the exchanges.

We are worse than sheeple. We are marching to bondage with government bayonets prodding us toward a miserable future.

83 posted on 11/16/2012 5:56:00 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: grumpygresh

Ok, I will admit, I do not understand this. Will you please explain how this works? I am sure I’ll be asked by my co-workers, they seem to always come to me about political stuff and I’m ashamed to say, I have not kept up with this other than I know we don’t want it. I know that if the Congress does not fund it, that will help.


84 posted on 11/16/2012 6:31:31 AM PST by southernindymom
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To: greeneyes
Sebelius can run the deadline up to Christmas, but it little matters (in MO) if the legislature not in session. I suppose Jay Nixon could try and call them back for a special session, but it would accomplish very little.

Either way, we are going to have it shoved down our throats. I'm acquainted with several folks in the insurance bus. I asked one the other day what plans they have made to implement Obi Care? Her response was,"You tell me?"

85 posted on 11/16/2012 6:36:45 AM PST by donozark (The voices inside my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!)
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To: DrC

Redstate took the Cannon article and expanded it - some pretty good comments if you are interested. Congress is going to have to “open” the Obamacare behemoth & make changes for it not to collapse under its own weight. I would hope the sheep won’t let the wool get pulled over their eyes again and will know what they are passing this time. Here’s the Redstate link - good read:

Healthcare hardball (RedState)

http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/2012/11/15/health-care-hardball-why-democrats-in-washington-and-around-the-country-are-praying-that-gop-governors-create-a-state-run-health-care-exchange-gop-governors-should-just-say-no/


86 posted on 11/16/2012 6:51:35 AM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: 50mm
"Do you really live in Virginia?"

No. No, I don't. Your question made me look into it, and I've been mistaken these forty-some years. I actually live in Idaho. /s

87 posted on 11/16/2012 7:52:20 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (The idiocracy has come home to roost. God help us.)
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To: MissMagnolia; 50mm

Thanks for the links, both of you, MM and 50mm.

I hope and pray this turns out to be the case, but since McDonnell rolled over and showed his belly on higher taxes, I don’t trust him.


88 posted on 11/16/2012 7:55:42 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (The idiocracy has come home to roost. God help us.)
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To: mwl8787

Hmmmmmm....no word from Nathan Deal in GA?


89 posted on 11/16/2012 8:37:00 AM PST by Purrcival (Four more years of OBAMA??????????? I hope this country can survive.)
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To: grumpygresh
The only way to fight 0-care is through the states.

Count Ohio out of the fight. Although we passed a citizens' intiative in 2010 to block O-care, Kasich caved this morning and defaulted to the feds.

90 posted on 11/16/2012 9:01:46 AM PST by attyatlaw001
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To: mwl8787
Unfortunately for us here in North Carolina, we still have a RAT governor until January 1st. She will join the 0bamacommie Medicrush scheme even though we threw she and her rotten Party out of both houses of the legislature in 2010 and gutted the RAT Executive branch in 2012.

Too late...

91 posted on 11/16/2012 10:11:05 AM PST by Gritty (The can no longer can be kicked down the road. We're all out of road, there's only an abyss-Mk Steyn)
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To: attyatlaw001

Very sad to hear. Kasich is acting as 0bama’s useful idiot. The state exchanges will do the dirty work of the Leftists. Nice for Kasich to finish his carrer as an apparachik.


92 posted on 11/16/2012 10:56:01 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: Jean S

Scott Walker and Allen West, 2016.

Two Republicans that really ARE Republican Conservatives.

The real deal.

Start pushing it to your local GOP committee folks.


93 posted on 11/16/2012 2:32:21 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: mwl8787

Please add Georgia to that growing list.


94 posted on 11/16/2012 9:13:45 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: gasport

Point taken. He is a physician who has taken a leave of absence from his practice to serve as Governor.


95 posted on 11/17/2012 10:19:21 AM PST by worrywart (Living up to my freeper name today, big time - and will be for the next four years :()
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To: gasport

Point taken. He is a physician who has taken a leave of absence from his practice to serve as Governor.


96 posted on 11/17/2012 10:19:37 AM PST by worrywart (Living up to my freeper name today, big time - and will be for the next four years :()
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To: grumpygresh

Look for the Obamacare Unionistas to start striking in every industry in each state that does this. They will attempt to bring these states to their knees...just as Obama is bringing America to her knees.

Count on it.


97 posted on 11/19/2012 10:25:44 PM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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