Posted on 11/17/2012 11:02:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Your state wants to secede from the union. What will this mean for your taxes?
I have good news and bad news. The good news is really good. But the bad news is really, really bad.
We’ll get to them in a moment.
Talk of secession is in the air. The White House this week confirmed that residents in all fifty states had submitted petitions asking to leave the union. Will the last one left please turn out the lights?
Residents in seven states, all in the former Confederacy, submitted more than 30,000 signatures each — enough that some hapless bureaucrat or intern will now have to take a look at their petitions.
The news comes 150 years after the Civil War, and just in time for Steve Spielberg’s biopic of Abraham Lincoln, the man whom we have to thank — if that’s the word I want — for the continued forcible marriage of the once-independent states.
It’s only a couple of years since Texas governor Rick Perry hoisted a rhetorical secessionist flag in response to Obamacare. In the last few years, anti-federal “10th Amendment” resolutions, emphasizing the primacy of states’ rights versus those of the union, have passed the legislatures of 12 states in the South and West. In five states, the governors signed them, too. (The 10th Amendment to the Constitution says states’ rights come before those of the federal government. The last time anyone in Washington actually paid attention to it, the ink was still wet.)
But what would any of this actually mean for your taxes?
The upside is you will be liberated from the sheer living hell of the federal tax code.
I don’t care where you live, and how badly run your local state government is. Nothing could be worse than this monstrosity.
(Excerpt) Read more at marketwatch.com ...
“The entire misanthropic “environmental” movement is a thinly-disguised propaganda campaign to get US citizens to accept that they are bad for Mother Earth, and that the best thing that could happen to Mother Earth is for them to do the right thing and die.”
The liberals should lead the charge, it’s their baby.
Because all those people are in the blue states?
What makes you so sure all those "armed citizens" want the same thing?
I think you are right on.
The way Secession would happen in practice, vs theory, is that Obama and the Left will have to do something outrageous to provoke a mass secession movement. Then Texas would leave first. Texas has the economy to support it. Other conservative states would then be vastly outnumbered by the Leftist states and many would secede to join an interstate treaty organization with Texas. Then the old U.S. would have two separate economies that correlate with the two cultures that we already have. Parasites would self-deport from the Free States to get their government services.
The Free States would have to decide to use an existing currency, or they could make a new one backed by gold. Texas could trade Federal Reserve Notes for their value in gold, then use this gold as the basis for a new currency. The currency would be stable and not dependent on the Fed.
The Free States would have to form their own new military from scratch, unless they could make an agreement with the U.S. government on sharing assets.
The Free States could nationalize and annex “federal property” in the states.
Pensioners (SSN/Medicare/Medicaid) could self-deport to retain U.S. benefits. Or they could use the U.S. courts to demand compensation. But the Free States could resolve to take over this burden, keeping in mind that the Free States would not have any obligation to pay off any of the U.S. debt.
The U.N. Security Council would still include the U.S., but the Free States would have no say. This would be a big negative for the world.
Eventually, the Free States are likely to rejoin the U.S. in some kind of treaty organization. It could even be a restored 50-state U.S. with a restored 10th Amendment.
“The U.S. federal govt would retain control of the military assets, the currency, and federal property.”
What makes you think that? When the Libyans split up in 2011 civil war, more than 70% of the troops abandoned Qaddhafi’s fascist government and took their weaponry with them in order to protect their families in the provinces.
Think of all the current federaly mandated programs/expensive laws that could be trashed.
He ignores voting with your feet. Not that I believe secession will happen in my lifetime but if it did I would leave the blue country I live in and move to a red country. This would happen in reverse as well and in short order the blue states would be even bigger sh6tholes than they are now.
No one has to secede. Just split the states.
It’s moot. They won’t be there anyway. But, the U.S. Gov’t should logically be the entity to open the “lock box” and give citizens what they’ve paid into it.
the same thing that is holding back people from shooting cops if and when any of this happens
morals
who is going to be the first to shoot cops?
our nation is doomed
It seems to me that there are three options available:
1. Accept the status quo & eventual loss of all freedom;
2. Peaceful secession - mass relocations & parsing the Treasury; or
3. All out revolution with all the attendant horrors.
Option 1 and 3 are non-starters. One is slavery; the other treason.
Option 2 is a viable solution; provided there is cooperation, something in very short supply in government.
10 or 12 years ago Staten Island seriously investigated seceding from NYC and assuming status as a self governing county per NYState constitution. The pros were release from Manhattan centered city govt, lower taxes, control over local schools etc. However the cost of reimbursing the city for facilities, roads, traffic systems, fire equipment and stations,hospitals, school buildings, water and sewer systems, continued connection to the city’s water supply and a host of other issues would cost so much that Islanders would see no positive financial benefit for 50 years. The issues of secession from the US would make the case of Staten Island seem like an adult child deciding to go out on his own.
With a rational tax policy, a free Texas would become the Hong Kong of the West.
Productive wealthy people would flock to Texas from all over the world — including the blue states.
Also, Texas could join forces with Alaska to be the OPEC of the West.
I can’t begin to know what their dirty plans are but we do know that Fast and Furious was what zero called “working under the radar”. We shall see.
Of those 90 million gun owners a bunch of them didn’t vote for Romney apparently.
I hope it’s unlikely, but as I said before, given the extraordinary crap they have already gotten away with (getting re-elected despite the murder of Americans in Libya being the latest and worst) I won’t put anything past them.
So?? Where in the constitution does it say we need to have a FEDERAL Department of Education??
Let’s do it.
I'm trying to put this nicely.
Anyway, it's a good article but I gotta say I'm not seeing much of a downside of us Red Staters in seceding from the Blue States.
FWIW: "Mass relocations" usually aren't peaceful. They involve the loss of freedom for many people. The country's going to be very hard to divide up and a lot of people aren't living where they "should" be living.
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