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To: muawiyah
Think about it. If there are paper ballots, once they leave the room where the ballot was cast, there is no way to determine what was written on them. They are no longer being observed by precinct workers from each part. If there are electronic ballots, all bets are off. There is absolutely no audit trail. There is no way to insure that what is displayed on a screen reflects the count.

Absentee ballots are just as problematic. Ballots can be intercepted by SEIU workers at post offices. SEIU workers in most states count the ballots. Presumably, observers are allowed in the counting rooms, but the reality is otherwise. Absentee ballots are controlled by SEIU employees. Does anyone believe they will expose the fraud in their unions and precincts, denying their families income, health-care, and retirement.

Our voting system was once verifiable. It wasn't perfect. Ballots were counted in precincts in full view of other precinct workers, at least one from each party. The vote in the precinct was the official vote. Ballots were moved from the counting table into secure and numbered storage boxes, and were moved under guard, again, representing major parties, to storage vaults, never to be opened without a court order.

We have no idea how our voters voted. There is no end of clever techniques to defraud our citizens and redistribute the income generated by our private sector, but without fixing the process, local counts, paper ballots, validating voter's identities, citizenship, health status (dead or alive), will mean nothing. Voting in the US is a tragic joke. It is completely unverifiable.

Fortunately, one of our few legislators with integrity, Allen West, is doing what he can to expose some of the fraud. Without secured paper ballots he can never determine what the vote in his districts actually was, but he may be able to show that the numbers presented by the election board are fraudulent. Most states have problems, but the ridiculous over-counts in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Wisconsin, Florida, and even New Mexico, should have caused congress to invalidate votes from those states.
It is an old problem, but one which is now destroying what remains of representative government.

57 posted on 11/18/2012 5:25:57 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: Spaulding

I’m so glad you mentioned what is going on in our post offices. In the 2004 election a worker came forward that observed a co-worker in FL throwing away military ballots as they came through. Several people in Ohio, where everyone was sent an absentee ballot, had someone already vote in their name and if it was with an absentee vote then it makes you wonder how they got the legal voters ballot.

It’s to the point where we need to stop using the mail system for ballots for military overseas. They have been deprived of their right to vote too many times. Let them be bused to a voting station on base and to other bases and bribe them with extra leave or cash to vote straight republican and then let the Tea Party be in charge of the ballots and push out any democrats and then let thieves rig voting machines to default to the republican. What’s the difference in that and what we’ve witnessed and read about this election? One worker said to someone that was shocked to find someone had voted for them—(dems are so civic minded!)— “Well why don’t you just pick a name off the voter rolls and vote in their place instead?”

Anyway, the best part of the 900 ballots for 8 registered voters I read today from reports of people there observing is that that count didn’t show up until 2 minutes before the deadline expired. They also had the last memory chip to upload and by golly that little stinky pants wouldn’t work. Mercy. Then at the last second they slipped in the 900 votes and said, oh well.

This whole fiasco of pushing and screaming and whatever else they felt like doing to get legal poll watchers out this election cannot happen anymore. My solution is in every democrat county we send our biggest, baddest, and smartest ex military to be poll watchers. Not to fight, to protect our right to vote and have a fair election. I want the judges that said it was too intimidating to show voter id to be plastered on our wall of shame with pictures of unethical dems that take advantage of people not used to being pushed out of where they are court appointed to be. Govt vans used to take voters over state lines. There are pictures of those already.

One man that works on voter machines was called in to fix a machine with the automatic Obama votes. He said the machine had to be programmed to do what it was doing. He returned later to vote and the same machine was reverting back to Obama again. When an auditor hired by republicans saw the machines reverting to Obama instead of being placed for Romney as the voter intended, he was not allowed to do or say anything. When poll watchers noted people were voting multiple times and using names of people nowhere near their age, they could only file a report later. The dems know all this and abuse it to the max.

Well, this middle aged sick chick is sick and tired of their dirty games. I am going to do what I can to make it harder for them to cancel out my vote every election. True the Vote is an organization started near where I lived for over 30 yrs. They can show us how to help clean up voter rolls. http://www.truethevote.org/about/

There should be 24 hr. cameras anywhere votes/ballots are counted. No more touchscreens. If signatures on photo id’s are not matched at sign in then the person that neglected their duty is charged with mandatory jail time along with those that tell the person voting their address when they cannot remember it. Ok, I know that’s not going to happen but it makes me feel better to write it. :)

We have to start being involved so that our rights are as important as the illegal voters, multiple vote voters, and voters that cannot say their stupid address because it isn’t their address in the first place.

Ok, back to Allen West. The count couldn’t be completed of early votes and votes found elsewhere that were never counted and so it reverts back to the original forged totals where the count flipped 4,000 votes in the wee hours against West which they explained was from recounting some of the early votes. They stopped the count at 11pm the night before because they said an alarm would go off in the building if everyone didn’t leave. They had no trouble using the same building Nov. 6th until the wee hours when they played with ballots where no one could observe what they were doing. This is as dirty as it gets brought to us by a president that is filthy dirty with his political games.


83 posted on 11/18/2012 9:06:17 PM PST by Reb Raider
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To: Spaulding

Your observations are very good! Since I earned my citizenship, and start voting, always bothered me the chaotic voting system in America. I am very angry with the GOP not being able to make a serious and profound argument and make law about this. When Bush had a chance to do it, he wasted time with amnesty. This triggered me to stop sending money to RNC.


84 posted on 11/18/2012 9:25:25 PM PST by OneHun
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