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EDITORIAL: The war on Thanksgiving
The Washington Times ^ | November 21, 2012 | Editorial

Posted on 11/21/2012 4:42:22 PM PST by jazusamo

Jibes from the thankless shouldn’t spoil the feast

Another holiday, another war. This year, beleaguered Thanksgiving is being attacked on multiple fronts.

The drive for a meatless Thanksgiving is in full swing. Rock legend Paul McCartney made his pitch in an advertisement campaign for the animal rights group PETA. The British vegetarian counsels “Eat no turkey” during a holiday founded by people who fled Britain and discovered turkey. PETA also urged President Obama not to observe the tradition of issuing a presidential pardon for a turkey since it “makes light of the mass slaughter of some 46 million gentle, intelligent birds.” Without the Thanksgiving holiday, however, these birds would never have existed in the first place.

The “Thanks-taking” crowd is also active. The American Indian Student Union (AISU) at the University of Virginia scheduled an “Anti-Thanksgiving” event which drew fire after it was publicized on the Drudge Report. AISU representatives said they didn’t actually mean to offend anyone. They simply wanted to discuss alternative views of Thanksgiving and the role of Native Americans in society. In fact, the relationship between the Pilgrims and the Wampanoag was one of the more successful Euro-Indian interactions. The group is now holding a potluck in which students will gather and share food, which actually sounds a lot like the original Thanksgiving.

~snip~

It is a day when people gather in good fellowship to enjoy each other’s company. So long as these remain constant, Thanksgiving will endure. Because we have to be giving thanks for something.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: america; culturewars; retail; thanksgiving
Happy Thanksgiving to ALL!

Thanksgiving is about America and family values. Everyone enjoy your turkey, dressing and PIE. :-)

1 posted on 11/21/2012 4:42:29 PM PST by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Without Thanksgiving, I bet turkeys would be extinct


2 posted on 11/21/2012 4:43:52 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

I agree, they’re ugly but sure taste good once or twice a year:)


3 posted on 11/21/2012 4:49:04 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
We need to spread this tradition to Korea! lol "칠면조 더주세요" heh
4 posted on 11/21/2012 4:51:52 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

I love it when FReepers miss the point completely.

This isn’t a war on Thanksgiving. It is a war on Football.


5 posted on 11/21/2012 4:55:16 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (George W. Bush is the Emmanuel Goldstein of the modern era.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

bah, humbug

They better leave Thanksgiving football alone.

Especially when the games are likely to stink like Michele Obama left alone on a tropical island for a few months.


6 posted on 11/21/2012 4:57:56 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL; jazusamo
“makes light of the mass slaughter of some 46 million gentle, intelligent birds.”

Obviously these people have never met a domestic turkey. Inbreeding has produced a bird that could not survive if returned to the wild. The breast got bigger and the brain atrophied.

Not to mention that the birds can no longer mate. The male’s breast are too large to permit it to mount the female.

These creatures could not exist in the wild. They were bread specifically for slaughter. Released to the wild they would be dead in week. They can not fly and can barely walk. Easy prey for the slowest of predators.

7 posted on 11/21/2012 5:01:13 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

PETA thought turkeys could fly!??


8 posted on 11/21/2012 5:03:09 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: jazusamo
Thanksgiving used to be my favorite holiday.

This year we're going out for dinner ... yeech!

Next year I'm going to make sure I have a great Thanksgiving again.

May you and yours have a wonderful Thanksgiving where none of your relatives comes out of any closet or reveals some drug or alcohol dependency or unwanted pregnancy or any other plot point spewing out of a made-for-TV special.

9 posted on 11/21/2012 5:05:17 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: GeronL
PETA thought turkeys could fly!??

They’re hitting the ground like bags of cement. (WKRP in Cincinnati reference)

They think they are genital birds and the domestic variety is. Their wild brethren are nothing of the kind. Get too close to a wild tom and they can cut you up bad with their spurs.

10 posted on 11/21/2012 5:18:56 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: jazusamo

The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving
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The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving
By Rynn Berry

December 2003

[Ed.] "But it's tradition," is the cry when vegetarians wonder why killing an animal should make Thanksgiving special. Vegetarian historian Rynn Berry begs to differ.

The story of the Pilgrim's First Thanksgiving-and turkey's place in it-has been shown to be largely a myth. It was only in 1863 that Abraham Lincoln declared Thanksgiving to be a national holiday-mainly as a public relations ploy to whip up a sense of patriotism and national unity during the Civil War. Pilgrims themselves didn't become a part of the national celebration until the 1890s.

The legend that one hundred odd English men and women who landed at Plymouth Harbor feasted on turkey and all the trimmings is a myth. When they first arrived, on November 11 1620, the settlers had so little food that they raised the houses of the Native American inhabitants and made off with stores of beans and corn. There was simply no animal flesh to be had. It is likely that the first Thanksgiving would have had to have been a vegan one, consisting of corn and beans served on pottery that the so-called Pilgrim Fathers stole from the so-called Indians. If, instead of the Plymouth Pilgrims, we go back a decade or so and look to the Jamestown colonists to provide us with role models for Thanksgiving, we will be even more scandalized. In her book Settling with the Indians, Karen Kupperman tells us that the Jamestown colonists were so lacking in farming skills (they spent most of the time digging random holes in the hope of finding gold) that they sank so low as to feed on corpses that they dug up from Native American gravesites. By rights we should be commemorating Thanksgiving by eating corpses. On second thoughts, isn't that exactly what we're doing?

Equal Exchange?

To be sure, the Plymouth Pilgrims were given a friendly reception by the Native Americans: Massassoit, chief of the Wapanoags, Samoset, chief of the Pemaquids, and the ever faithful Squanto. Indeed, the peoples of the region overlooked the Pilgrims' depredations and taught them how to farm, fish, and eventually how to set up trading posts. The reason why the Indians were so receptive to the newcomers is that most of New England had been depopulated by epidemics from prior contacts with European traders and settlers. Europeans had introduced such diseases as diphtheria, TB, streptococcus, scurvy, cholera, typhus measles and chicken pox and smallpox. It's estimated that, before the invasion of Europeans and their diseases, northern America was home to as many as 20 million inhabitants from coast to coast. The diseases ravaged the native populations from south to north America, reducing them by as much as 90 percent.

Europeans were not very unhygienic. While Squanto tried to get the settlers to bathe, he met with little success because the settlers considered it un-Christian to bathe. In cities such as London and Paris, raw sewage ran in the streets. By contrast, most Native Americans were highly skilled agriculturists. When Europeans arrived they found a country that was already cleared and farmed. The settlers simply walked into the indigenous communities that had been depopulated by plague and took over. This is why so many of the early New England towns have the name attached to them-Deerfield, Richfield, and so on. The colonists started their communities in the middle of fields that had been cleared by the indigenous peoples

The Real First Thanksgiving?

The folklore taught in schools has it that the Pilgrims originated the Thanksgiving festival and that they provided the Native Americans with a feast they had never seen. In fact, the opposite is true. In November 1621, one year after the Pilgrims arrived in Plymouth, the Pilgrims celebrated harvest festival jointly with the Native Americans-a harvest festival that the native inhabitants had been celebrating for hundreds, perhaps thousands of years. Most of the food at this festival was supplied by Native Americans. It was a meal that the Pilgrims had never witnessed, consisting of native American foodstuffs. The main meal was a sort of corn meal mush along with nuts and fruits such as gooseberries, strawberries, plums, cherries, cranberries and a groundnut known as the bogg bean. Popcorn and popcorn balls made by the Indians with maple syrup were served as a sweet. There was a variety of breadstuffs such as cornpone, ashcakes, and hoe cakes, made by Native Americans from their own recipes. It is also possible that other native foods such as pumpkin and squash were served. In his Food Encyclopedia, James Trager tells us that there is a live possibility that turkey wasn't even served. It's true that the Indians provided some deer meat, and game birds, but they were side dishes and not the focus of the meal. So the 1620 Thanksgiving dinner proper in 1620 was probably a totally vegetarian one, because the Pilgrims were unable to find animal flesh. The second Thanksgiving in 1621 was also catered by the Native Americans. Not only was it probably turkeyless, but it was mainly vegetarian. Doesn't it make more sense, therefore, that instead of celebrating Thanksgiving as an orgy of Turkey slaughter, Americans should celebrate a vegetarian harvest festival?

Rynn Berry is the historical advisor to the North American Vegetarian Society. He is the author of Famous Vegetarians and Their Favorite Recipes ($15.95) and Food for the Gods: Vegetarianism and the World's Religions ($19.95). Copies may be ordered from the author at 159 Eastern Parkway, Suite 2H, Brooklyn, NY 11238. Add $3.00 for

http://www.montelis.com/satya/first_veg.html  

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11 posted on 11/21/2012 5:19:43 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: GeronL

Turkeys revenge:

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/11/21/turkey-complaints-on-the-rise-in-brookline/


12 posted on 11/21/2012 5:24:49 PM PST by Rio (Tempis Fugit.)
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To: jazusamo

could Paul STFU before he turns the world off completely to the Beatles......John would have NEVER played for bama


13 posted on 11/21/2012 5:27:47 PM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: jazusamo
EDITORIAL: The war on Thanksgiving

Even just a superficial search will discover leftist organizations behind these anti-american projects. The goal is to remake the country into one that fits their own Marxist vision.

14 posted on 11/21/2012 5:28:32 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Rio

I’ll bet bear spray would discourage them:)


15 posted on 11/21/2012 5:39:07 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Pontiac

That’s a hell of a typo.


16 posted on 11/21/2012 6:17:04 PM PST by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Pontiac

genital??

I hope sincerely you meant Genial.. heh


17 posted on 11/21/2012 6:18:10 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Roos_Girl

lolz


18 posted on 11/21/2012 6:20:20 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Roos_Girl; GeronL

OOPs


19 posted on 11/21/2012 6:20:52 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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Please bump the Freepathon or click above and donate or become a monthly donor!

20 posted on 11/21/2012 6:33:27 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Pontiac

lol

It was funny


21 posted on 11/21/2012 6:34:02 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL
Without Thanksgiving, I bet turkeys would be extinct.

46 million turkeys is nothing. 30 million chickens are slaughtered every day in the US alone! Yum.

22 posted on 11/21/2012 7:06:38 PM PST by Katiana Kalashnikova
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To: Katiana Kalashnikova

Welcome to FR.

Enjoy your one month anniversary.

May you have many more.

Love your screen name.


23 posted on 11/21/2012 7:38:46 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: jazusamo

pepper spray on turkeys? You may be right. And possibly a good marinade!


24 posted on 11/21/2012 8:37:03 PM PST by Rio (Tempis Fugit.)
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To: jazusamo
All the reasons given are diversions - the real reason for the war on Thanksgiving is the same one for the war on Christmas: Both acknowledge God and His incredible love for us.
25 posted on 11/22/2012 3:29:00 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: jazusamo

“Happy Thanksgiving To All”

And all get ready for the war on Christmas.

IMHO


26 posted on 11/22/2012 7:02:31 AM PST by ripley
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To: upchuck

Thank you so much! My real name is actually very close to my screen name. I’m a Ukrainian/Russian immigrant and I love this site!


27 posted on 11/23/2012 10:11:13 AM PST by Katiana Kalashnikova
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