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Twinkies bakers say they'd rather lose jobs than take pay cuts
reuters ^ | 11/22/2012 | By Carey Gillam and Martinne Geller

Posted on 11/22/2012 4:15:23 AM PST by tobyhill

After several years of costly concessions, the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco and Grain Millers Union (BCTGM) authorized a walk-out earlier this month after Hostess received bankruptcy court approval to implement a wage cut that was not included in its contract.

With operations stalled, the company that makes Twinkies and other famous U.S. brands said last week that liquidating its business was the best way to preserve its dwindling cash. It won court approval on Wednesday to start winding down in a process expected to claim 15,000 jobs immediately and over 3,000 more after about four months.

Interviews with more than a dozen workers showed there was little sign of regret from employees who voted for the strike. They said they would rather lose their jobs than put up with lower wages and poorer benefits.

"They're just taking from us," said Kenneth Johnson, 46, of Missouri. He said he earned roughly $35,000 with overtime last year, down from about $45,000 five years ago.

"I really can't afford to not be working, but this is not worth it. I'd rather go work somewhere else or draw unemployment," said Johnson, a worker at Hostess for 23 years.

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1 posted on 11/22/2012 4:15:27 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Interesting enough, if they are bought out by a foreign firm they are due extra benefits such as re-education and bonus points for civil service. All at the taxpayer expense of course.


2 posted on 11/22/2012 4:18:29 AM PST by BipolarBob (The first thirty years of my childhood were less than desirable.)
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To: tobyhill

That is the single most stupid thing anyone has ever said.

I’m sure they’ll be sitting on their asses drawing 99 months of unemployment instead of ‘taking other jobs’.

I despise unions.


3 posted on 11/22/2012 4:19:43 AM PST by Salamander (If animals could speak, mankind would weep. Anthony Douglas Williams)
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To: tobyhill

Well, they got their wish.


4 posted on 11/22/2012 4:20:08 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: tobyhill

He said he earned roughly $35,000 with overtime last year, down from about $45,000 five years ago.

I wish they would have put in how much the salary is without bonus. For example, if they make 10 dollars an hour which is most likely then the yearly salary is 19,200 and add 35,000 to that amount and they are only making 54,200 a year which is before taxes and is not a great wage. Why are they only focusing on the overtime. Another distorted article.


5 posted on 11/22/2012 4:21:15 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: tobyhill

Are they retarded?


6 posted on 11/22/2012 4:21:21 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: tobyhill
unlike the bakery union, the Teamsters voted to "protect all jobs at Hostess."

How'd that work out for ya?

7 posted on 11/22/2012 4:21:49 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Salamander

I wonder how much their Union Bosses were making? I worked for Twinkie, and I didn’t make $35,000 a year. And I was glad for a job.


8 posted on 11/22/2012 4:22:04 AM PST by rovenstinez
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To: tobyhill
The dude said he'd rather draw unemployment than work for more money ?????

And they didn't leave and find a better job before this crisis because???

Likely...uneducated assembly line workers...and there's nothing wrong with that...you just have to come to terms with that.

9 posted on 11/22/2012 4:22:21 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: napscoordinator

overtime earned from dragging there feet during the regular shift....


10 posted on 11/22/2012 4:23:15 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: tobyhill

A man’s pride will lead him to self destruction.

Fools. And that goes for Hostess for agreeing to the Teamsters contract in the first place, and not drawing the line there.


11 posted on 11/22/2012 4:23:40 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Salamander
The 99 week Soetoro ponzi scheme no longer exists.
12 posted on 11/22/2012 4:23:40 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: t1b8zs

overtime earned from dragging there feet during the regular shift....

Maybe but maybe not. They did sell a lot of Twinkies....lol.


13 posted on 11/22/2012 4:26:49 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: napscoordinator
You're quite right....As far as we know...he could have made $200 of that $35,000 in overtime.

And I'm betting the $45,000 paycheck.....5 YEARS AGO...is some sort of fib....

14 posted on 11/22/2012 4:26:49 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
And they didn't leave and find a better job before this crisis because???

Because there's no penalty for being unemployed. Check it out... 99 weeks of unemployment checks, EBT cards, Obamacare, Obamaphones...

Can't touch this... it's Hammock Time!

15 posted on 11/22/2012 4:26:55 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: tobyhill

There’s probably close to a million federal apparatchiks in the DC area making six figures to sit around on their hind quarters and do absolutely nothing useful, unlike this guy from Missouri, who at least makes Twinkies.


16 posted on 11/22/2012 4:27:47 AM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: tobyhill

After 99 months of collecting unemployment and playing video games in the living room, I’m sure he’ll be right and ready to rejoin the work force!


17 posted on 11/22/2012 4:28:06 AM PST by COBOL2Java (The GOP-e said "Beat a Marxist with a Liberal!" What a colossal blunder.)
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To: tobyhill

The average 4 person welfare family receives the equivalent of a taxable income of $60,000.

Now it makes sense - vote Dem, sit on your a$$.


18 posted on 11/22/2012 4:28:26 AM PST by gartrell bibberts (Remember always...MORE than 50% of Americans are of below average intelligence today.)
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To: tobyhill
"I really can't afford to not be working, but this is not worth it. I'd rather go work somewhere else or draw unemployment," said Johnson, a worker at Hostess for 23 years.

Good luck with that plan. Here is a really crazy idea. Ratify the contract, then go find a job with better pay and benefits while still working. Oops too late for that.

19 posted on 11/22/2012 4:28:32 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: tobyhill

I work in a unionized manufacturing plant and I hear the rank and file whining about the company all the time.

I will ask them how long they have been working for the company, and when the say 20 to 30 or more years, I ask them why they continue to work in such a terrible place. Sadly most are brainwashed by union BS and can’t make the connection.


20 posted on 11/22/2012 4:32:57 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: tobyhill
"I really can't afford to not be working, but this is not worth it. I'd rather go work somewhere else or draw unemployment,"

There's your problem right there. With almost 2 years's worth of unemployment benefits, these guys can get paid almost the same for doing nothing, work part time under the table, and be eligible for Medicaid and Obamaphones.

No, Obama didn't give out "gifts" to buy votes...

21 posted on 11/22/2012 4:34:12 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: tobyhill
How are they going to go home to their spouses and explain that they decided to take 100% of nothing rather than 92% of their current salary?

I know I would have been sleeping with the dogs for the foreseeable future.

22 posted on 11/22/2012 4:36:54 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Salamander

In most states the unemployment has gone back to a Tier 1 and Tier 2 only which is a max 52 weeks. In most states the max is $350 a week compared to the $670 a week the workers were making. Also keep in mind that they will have to pay for Cobra at $300-$400 a month instead of the $100 a month they were offered.


23 posted on 11/22/2012 4:39:33 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: Sacajaweau

Hmmm. That 5 years ago when he was making $45,000 was under Bush.

His new pay of $35,000 is under Obama, and I don’t have a hard time believeing him on that one.

He probably voted for Obama though.


24 posted on 11/22/2012 4:40:05 AM PST by Venturer
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To: tobyhill

Uncle Bama will take good care of his worm ridden union filth (apologies to George Lucas, Han Solo and Jaba the Hut)


25 posted on 11/22/2012 4:40:11 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: tobyhill
"I really can't afford to not be working, but this is not worth it. I'd rather go work somewhere else or draw unemployment,"

And there you go.
Obamacare for medical, unemployment for cigs and beer, food stamps and Obamaphones for day-to-day living... why should he work?

26 posted on 11/22/2012 4:40:42 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: napscoordinator
down from about $45,000 five years ago.

and let me think...who was POTUS back then?

27 posted on 11/22/2012 4:42:10 AM PST by sternup
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To: Drango

I have read that when all the benefits are comprehended, that about $40k is the break even number for working vs going on unemployment as that’s about what all the available benefits add up to. However, the number may be even higher in this instance.


28 posted on 11/22/2012 4:43:58 AM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: tobyhill

Now they can be Obama drones for life (if they weren’t already). Handouts for votes.


29 posted on 11/22/2012 4:45:52 AM PST by Truth29
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To: gartrell bibberts

That explains all the major electronics purchases by men in the middle of the week, during the day, I see whenever I go to Best Buy. Let’s put it this way, by their dress, these people are likely not a) physicians on call b) creative dot.com types working out of their home.


30 posted on 11/22/2012 4:47:08 AM PST by madameguinot
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“They’re just taking from us,” said Kenneth Johnson, 46, of Missouri. He said he earned roughly $35,000 with overtime last year, down from about $45,000 five years ago.”

Kind of interesting because ole Kenneth here, if what he says is true, has just admitted the Bush economy is a lot better than Obama’s.

31 posted on 11/22/2012 4:47:14 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: napscoordinator
"not a great wage"

Probably because it's not a great job. Certainly not a great career, but a great motivator for not letting the grass grow under foot. Ken is simply identified as a "worker," who spent 23 years in a vulnerable dead end job, kept on life support by union intervention, but ultimately euthanized by same. I assume he wasn't a plant engineer with advanced degree in industrial engineering. He made $45K with benefits, pouring bread dough into baking tins, and claims they were taking from him?
32 posted on 11/22/2012 4:48:15 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Salamander

Say, any of you baker fellas interested in a game of cards?

33 posted on 11/22/2012 4:48:30 AM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Salamander

It won’t be 99 weeks if sequestration is enacted. It goes back to the 26 weeks.


34 posted on 11/22/2012 4:49:16 AM PST by mazda77
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To: verga
The whole thing is very depressing, for a variety of reasons. It seems we are circling the drain as a society. What the Obama crowd doesn't, or won't realize is that the flip side of ‘a rising tide makes all boats float higher’ is that a falling tide makes all boats float lower, not just the so-called 1%. Those with the least buoyancy will go down first.
35 posted on 11/22/2012 4:49:22 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: grobdriver

It is my understanding, you can’t collect unemployment if you are unemployed because you refused to work.


36 posted on 11/22/2012 4:49:30 AM PST by muggs (Hope and Change = Hoax and Chains)
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To: All

After reading about the “liquidation bonuses” the CEO’s want to pay themselves, I am sort of feeling a little sorrier for the workers.

If this is how they act when in bankruptcy,how were they acting before?

I think unions are parasites, but I have no sympathy for greedy, grabby upper management who don’t mind seeing a business go down while continuing to pay themselves ‘bonuses’ like that.


37 posted on 11/22/2012 4:56:12 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: tobyhill
In most states the unemployment has gone back to a Tier 1 and Tier 2 only which is a max 52 weeks. In most states the max is $350 a week compared to the $670 a week the workers were making. Also keep in mind that they will have to pay for Cobra at $300-$400 a month instead of the $100 a month they were offered.

Not only that, IF they qualify for unemployment, they are going to get hit will a tax bill at the end of the year. They really are a bunch of idiots for walking out. They will never recover financially.

38 posted on 11/22/2012 4:57:12 AM PST by muggs (Hope and Change = Hoax and Chains)
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To: tobyhill
Paging Baraka-Claus...

"Twinkie Shrugged..."


39 posted on 11/22/2012 4:58:41 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: rovenstinez

You ever see a union boss driving a beat up used Gremlin?

There’s a reason why you won’t.


40 posted on 11/22/2012 5:02:45 AM PST by Salamander (If animals could speak, mankind would weep. Anthony Douglas Williams)
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To: tobyhill

I don’t think I could be a proud member of something called: Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco and Grain Millers Union (BCTGM).

That would be right up there with the Left Brown Shoe No Laces Leather Union {LBSNLU).


41 posted on 11/22/2012 5:03:21 AM PST by maddog55 (OBAMA: The result 60,382,105 complete idiots.)
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To: tobyhill

There are plenty of job seekers who would be willing to work at the reduced wage, but these mindless union SOB’s weren’t about to give someone else that opportunity. I swear; if I came across one of these $&@’s lying in the street, starving to death, I would walk over him and not look back.


42 posted on 11/22/2012 5:06:17 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: mazda77

Aw.

Too damn bad.


43 posted on 11/22/2012 5:07:21 AM PST by Salamander (If animals could speak, mankind would weep. Anthony Douglas Williams)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Well, there’s always welfare.

Whatever maintains the 47%ers.


44 posted on 11/22/2012 5:09:19 AM PST by Salamander (If animals could speak, mankind would weep. Anthony Douglas Williams)
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To: PowderMonkey

http://www.workdayminnesota.org/index.php?news_6_5377


45 posted on 11/22/2012 5:09:46 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: muggs

“if you are unemployed because you refused to work”

Maybe that’s why welfare reform got re-reformed.

To take up the slack..ers.


46 posted on 11/22/2012 5:10:53 AM PST by Salamander (If animals could speak, mankind would weep. Anthony Douglas Williams)
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To: redgolum

Obama has taught well. Taught people to blame Bush the lower they go. That is what he does. I thought last night, that is where we are headed. Our nation is going down and all anyone wants to do is blame someone above them. Classic symptoms for the alcoholic, the drugged, and now apparently the worker. So now, these workers will become like the mall or theater shooters with the attitude, “ If I can’t have what I want, then no one can.”


47 posted on 11/22/2012 5:11:13 AM PST by taterjay
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To: tobyhill

Via con Dios...


48 posted on 11/22/2012 5:11:33 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Salamander
"They're just taking from us," said Kenneth Johnson, 46, of Missouri. He said he earned roughly $35,000 with overtime last year, down from about $45,000 five years ago. "I really can't afford to not be working, but this is not worth it. I'd rather go work somewhere else or draw unemployment," said Johnson, a worker at Hostess for 23 years.

You are right - they will be lazing about and collecting their "share" of the dole for an extended period.

Interesting he gets to "say" that he's earning $10K less a year than 4 years ago and nobody verifies it or gives any of the dynamics involved. I guess the bright side is that he will step on his own "richard" again because he's too stupid to understand that the unions and the political party he supports are the reasons he's hurting.

49 posted on 11/22/2012 5:13:58 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Salamander

I think with the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, that 99 month deal will expire and go back to whatever it was previously. Happy Thanksgiving, Sal!


50 posted on 11/22/2012 5:14:17 AM PST by rabidralph
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