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To: Black Agnes
Well, those and a few more:

Vaccine Excipient & Media Summary - Excipients Included in U.S. ...

They also include bits of whatever culture they were grown in (yeast, eggs, dead babies) because you can't entirely remove them via any purification process. Also the live virus versions contain whatever microbes the culture it was grown in might contain. Look up 'SV40 and polio vaccine'. Also 'Pig Wasting Virus' and rotavirus vaccine'. Probably more we haven't identified yet.

What I see in the link are the components of cell culture and microbial culture. I will repeat what is at the top of the table:

This table includes not only vaccine ingredients (e.g., adjuvants and preservatives), but also substances used during the manufacturing process, including vaccine-production media, that are removed from the final product and present only in trace quantities.
In addition to the substances listed, most vaccines contain Sodium Chloride (table salt).

FYI, the fetal cells mentioned were WI-38 and MRC-5. That doesn't mean that the vaccine contains those cells, but that the virus was grown in them. Most vaccines are produced by more than one manufacturer. If it disturbs you to be vaccinated with a vaccine grown in cells from a murdered baby, you can tell your doctor that you want a vaccine from a different manufacturer (you have to do a bit of research, probably, so that you have an acceptable alternate vaccine to propose). You can also write to the manufacturer to express your displeasure at being offered a vaccine grown in murdered baby cells. As a scientist, I am very well aware that there is no scientific reason to select fetal cells for vaccine growth; there are thousands of other cells to choose from. The Vero cells mentioned in that table are monkey cells.

More on topic, the influenza vaccines are grown in chicken eggs. That *does* mean that one or more chicken embryos die for every dose of flu vaccine. It's unfortunate, but most people would agree that human life is worth more than chicken life. I should mention that recent studies have shown that the influenza vaccine does not cause allergic reactions in people who are allergic to eggs.

187 posted on 11/24/2012 6:23:12 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
"That doesn't mean that the vaccine contains those cells, but that the virus was grown in them."

If only that were true. In fact, there is no way to completely get rid of the culture media when processing the vaccine. It's an accepted part of the manufacturing process. In fact, the exact amount of 'fetal dna' is a closely guarded 'trade secret'. You don't 'trade secret' the number zero.

There are no currently available 'standard' vaccines in this country for rubella that do NOT contain fetal DNA. Nor Chickenpox. Nor shingles. OTHER countries do, however, manage to grow rubella vaccines withOUT using fetal DNA. Imagine that.

In fact, you can't JUST get the measles or mumps vaccine any longer. You MUST get the rubella portion of that as well in the MMR vaccine.

I really don't care about 'chicken life'. We eat plenty of chicken at my house. I DO care though about any viruses those chickens may have been infected with prior to their being used in culture media and whether or not that media is a 'live virus' vaccine. Cause...then YOU have whatever virus that chicken had. And in the case of (monkey kidney cultured polio vaccine) SV40 that's probably a BAD thing.

Here's the info on 'pig wasting virus':

Pieces of DNA from a pig virus were found in Merck & Co Inc's vaccine against a diarrhea-causing infection, but U.S. health officials said on Thursday there was no evidence of a risk to people

Now A Pig Virus DNA Is Found In A Merck Vaccine

And the link for the Lancet paper on SV40 again:

Monkeys, viruses, and vaccines

An interesting quote from that paper:

"Officials who had previously said SV40 was harmless were authorised to assess independent research that challenged that conclusion: “Not surprisingly, they reaffirmed their own previous wisdom.” Accepting that SV40 is a human carcinogen, they continue, raises questions about what the government response should be: “A coordinated and extensive search for SV40 in other kinds of tumors, coupled with far greater efforts to study how the virus causes tumors? A crash SV40 screening program among populations most likely to have been infected? … An anti-SV40 vaccination campaign?” The problem, they continue, is that to undertake any of these options the government would have to admit that it should have acted sooner to protect public health. In The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (University of Chicago Press, 1962) Thomas Kuhn suggests that paradigm shifts don't happen because opponents are converted by evidence, but rather because one generation of investigators and scientific leaders dies and is replaced by another. For credible epidemiological studies confirming whether SV40 from polio vaccines has caused human cancers, we may have to wait until a new generation is put in charge of the USA's health research bureaucracy."

192 posted on 11/24/2012 6:46:26 PM PST by Black Agnes
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