Secession is not what we need. We need to plant our flag right here and invite the God-hating, capitalism-hating, constitution-hating wannabe totalitarians to take a hike. America, love it, live it, defend it or leave it!!
problem there is,
places like N.Y. and Calif. where that is exactly what the vast majority is.
And they all ain’t leaving.
If constitutionalists move to redder regions and vice versa, we can push for de-facto secession by some states beginning to cut off most social welfare benefits, encouraging their moochers to move to a blue state that will be happy to support them.
Let federalism work. See how well rust-belt union states do under nearly pure Marxism. Let Texas become a libertarian republic. Etc. We should permit 50 experiments to happen, with folks voting with their feet. Takers will migrate to places that still hand out welfare to all comers. Makers will migrate to red states where hard work is rewarded.
At this point, the federal govt just won't permit this, but as its power declines with declining American power generally, they won't be able to enforce federal diktats in Alaska or Texas or even Tennessee.
We need to get back to the basics. We are losing because the American Spirit is changing from enterprising individualism to dependency as a replacement for achievement.
We need to stop thinking a solution from the government is what we need to help.
We need to start changing hearts and minds. Neighbor by neighbor, block by block, city by city, church by church, school by school.
As long as people see dependency as a means to achievement, no change in government will change anything. Problems will just follow whomever splits themselves apart.
Politicians will always be politicians, they will pander to whom they think will give them votes and money. Until the public’s attitude is changed, nothing will change.
Bottom up, not top down.
Correct.
My thoughts (again).
I do not see the necessity for the vast portions of conservative values territory to "secede" so much as it should be a priority for such conservative values territories to suggest that the communist agenda "progressive liberal" values territories be (first) "invited to withdraw" from the union of constitutional adhering original intent united States.
It is they that no longer want to live under the framework of the Constitution.
They are the ones that should leave.
They are the ones that want to re-write the Constitution.
Let them.
On their own.
They can have their teaming masses of Obama-droids.
We will keep our conservative population, our "flyover" country, our "makers."
They can keep their "takers."
We can live within our budgets.
They can invent their own currency and "print" it forever under their "QE-Infinity" policy.
We can keep our "oppressive and unnecessary" military.
They can keep their FEMA, TSA, Obama-Youth, etc.
We can keep our "dirty and polluting" oil fields, coal mines, pipelines, nuke plants, natural gas fields, etc.
They can "live" off of their solar panels and wind turbines.
Yes, if they are so "oppressed" by this constitutional Republic they should invoke their beliefs into action by accepting our gracious offer to simply and peacefully withdraw from our union.
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Sorry to be disagreeable with you, Jim. But this is going to end one of two ways. Half the country is going to be enslaved, or the entire country is going to be enslaved.
Let me disagree with you.
The socialists control the POTUS, Senate, and the courts. The culture has been lost to the socialists. If you disagree please tell me what cultural, or political, institution today is conservative. My point is the freedom loving country of old has been replaced with a collectivist godless society.
If we are going to plant our flag we need a secure land to do it from. The idea of secession seems pretty radical right now, but if we began organizing support behind a political party in a state that supports it we can begin the process. Look how the socialists destroyed the culture. They started in the 1960's with the sexual revolution. It took them 50 years, but they accomplished their goal.
Why not fight this war on 2 fronts? Fight to get conservatives in office at the federal level and fight to get a state that pushes for it's freedom.
Secede? NO
Expell the Leftists? YES, Indeed.
Bingo!
If people want to live in the bliss of Europe, they should relocate there.
Those of us who understand why our forefathers fled Europe, should be able to remain here in peace and free.
Where, exactly, is “here”?