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Myths of Health Care Reform
AAPS ^ | Aug 31, 2010

Posted on 12/17/2012 6:04:30 PM PST by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Myth 1: An electronic medical record could save your life in an emergency

Posted on June 29, 2009 by

Information technology does not stop bleeding, start IVs, defibrillate the heart, or put in a breathing tube. In an emergency, those are the things that save your life. If you need them, the doctor does not have time to look at your EMR.

In an emergency, the doctor needs to know your blood sugar NOW, not what it was 6 months ago. Ditto for your chest xray. If the test needs to be done STAT, the old results are probably irrelevant, and if it doesn’t need to be done STAT, there’s time to make a phone call and ask for a faxed report.

The most important information in an emergency is what just happened to you, and that will not be in your EMR.

If you have a serious allergy or other problem that your doctor needs to know in an emergency, wear a MedicAlert bracelet or something else attached to your body. In a bad emergency, your ID may be lost, the computer may be down, or the power may be off.

The EMR is being promoted for the convenience of bureaucrats and lawyers, and for the profits of vendors. Sometimes it helps doctors; sometimes it’s a hindrance. Only the doctor can decide.

The EMR costs a huge amount of money, and the costs never stop. It might save a few dollars in preventing unnecessary tests for people who have bad memories or can’t keep track of paper records.

The whole record could be destroyed by a power surge (especially if it’s an electromagnetic pulse or EMP). Or it could become unreadable; tapes, disks, and other media become obsolete and are not necessarily durable. On the other hand, it can be nearly impossible to extirpate errors.

The EMR may prevent some errors, but introduce others, especially ones caused by identity theft, sloppy data entry, poor typing skills, confusing software, dry-labbed information entry by macro, and failure to check data once entered. It could even kill you.

EMR systems are a nonconsented experiment, the results of which may be kept secret by the vendors.

If you’re desperately ill or critically injured, you need a doctor, not a computer. Your doctor needs to be able to keep his records in a way that works for him, and to choose his own tools, computers included.

Myth 2: A public plan could save enough on administrative costs to provide coverage to all.

Posted on June 29, 2009 by

It is frequently asserted, especially by groups such as Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP), that a “single payer” (government) system could “save” enough money on administration to buy coverage for all the uninsured.

The basis for the assertion is the claim that Medicare spends only 2% to 3% of its outlays on administration, compared with private plans’ alleged costs of 20% to 25%.

In fact, data from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) shows that insurance companies spend at least 50% less on administration than government does on its health programs. (The Congressional Budget Office Reports: Comparing health care admin cost: who’s less costly?)

CMS (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services ) divides spending data into care (paid to doctors, hospitals, pharmacies, and others for patient care) and non-care (everything else). For 2009, CMS projects spending on care at $2.13 trillion, and non-care at $424 billion or 16.7% of total spending.

Of the $879 billion projected to be paid in 2009 by private insurance, CMS estimates $128 billion for non-care—12.7%. For all public programs except Medicare, the comparable percentage is 26%, without adjustment for the taxes and assessments paid only by private insurers. Unlike Medicare, other public programs—Medicaid, SCHIP, Veterans Administration, and military programs—are internally administered.

Medicare is externally administered by private companies; its non-care costs are 5.7%. If it were administered like other government programs, administrative cost would increase by $1 trillion over the next 10 years.

There are many reasons why private companies have higher non-care costs for their private plans than for Medicare:

Greg Dattilo and Dave Racer conclude: “Though one has to dig for the truth, the CBO report makes the case: Competition in a private health insurance market saves tens of billions each year that government agencies would waste on administrative cost.”

Benjamin Zycher of the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research also notes that it costs the economy more than a dollar to send a dollar to Washington (Wall St J 10/29/07). The lowest plausible assumption for the excess economic cost of the tax burden, 20%, would raise the cost of delivering Medicare benefits to at least 24% to 25% of Medicare outlays, and a more realistic estimate to about 52%, or four to five times the net cost of private insurance.

Other facts to remember about Medicare administration:



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I apologize for the length of the post, but it was full of a lot of great information.

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1 posted on 12/17/2012 6:04:34 PM PST by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Socialism: Where your health care is free, but you are not.


2 posted on 12/17/2012 6:19:12 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Socialism: Where your health care is free, but you are not.)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
I apologize for the length of the post, but it was full of a lot of great information.

It also contains just plain crap. I caught this one in "Myth #1

The most important information in an emergency is what just happened to you, and that will not be in your EMR.

There are a lot of people with good reason to wear those little "Medical Alert" tags. If a person is in anaphalactic shock, one wouldn't know "what happened" and it would be helpful to know about the relevant allergies. The better point to have made here is that a person can carry their medical records on a chip IF THEY SO CHOOSE. That system would be cheaper and more reliable, thus making the entire centralized system a total waste of money. Hell, the insurer could offer a discount for those who do so choose.

3 posted on 12/17/2012 6:19:52 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
So,so much I could say about OsamaObamaCare as a former hospital administrator (major Boston hospital),a patient (heart attack and a total hip replacement) and one who's quite familiar with both Britain's and Canada's health care system (Barney Frank,among others,is *on record* as saying that OsamaObamaCare is a prelude to CanadaCare).

In short,OsamaObamaCare will,in very short order,prove itself to be exactly what it is...the concoction of a community organizer/law "professor" who wants 95 year olds to receive a pain pill rather than a cardiac pacemaker (look it up),who'll never,himself,be subject to *any* of its provisions and who wouldn't know the difference between a rib spreader and a plate of baby back ribs.

4 posted on 12/17/2012 6:51:31 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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Affordable Health Care act is nothing more than a legal way to “thin the herd”, bankrupt private hospitals, hire hundreds of thousand bureaucrats and unionize the whole d@mn thing! Has NOTHING to do with care!

Btw, total hip here too. Affordable Health Care would have probably let me die from necropsy and kidney failure. All the best!


5 posted on 12/18/2012 3:24:37 AM PST by poobear (Socialism, in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: BayStateConservative

Oops, necrosis.
We’ll be treated like animals anyway so necropsy isn’t that far fetched...


6 posted on 12/18/2012 3:28:31 AM PST by poobear (Socialism, in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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Btw, total hip here too. Affordable Health Care would have probably let me die from necropsy and kidney failure.

As is true with most patients,my hip replacement wasn't a "life saving" procedure...unlike heart surgery,for example.However I,a middle class,not powerful,not "connected" guy was in the recovery room of a major Boston hospital 9 business days after having called the surgeon for an initial consultation regarding my hip pain.And if I had taken the earliest MRI time slot that I was offered it might have been fewer that 9 business days.My understanding is (and I've done a lot of research on this) is that I would have waited at least 3 months...and possibly 6 months or more...under Canada's or Britain's health care system.But I thank God every day that Osama Obama will never be offered a pain pill instead of a cardiac pacemaker as he once suggested to a questioner should be the case with her elderly mother/grandmother.

7 posted on 12/18/2012 9:59:09 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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Just found this piece from earlier this year about hip replacements in Canada.This piece gives us just *one* small glimpse of what we folks in "flyover country" (but *not* the rich,powerful or "connected") have to look forward to under OsamaObamaCare.

Waiting Times In Canada

8 posted on 12/18/2012 10:12:45 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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To: poobear; BayStateConservative
Oops, necrosis.We’ll be treated like animals anyway so necropsy isn’t that far fetched...

Very true.And it's funny that you directed your post to "BayStateConservative" rather than me,"Gay State Conservative".If you're curious take a quick peek at my profile for an explanation of my screen name."BayStateConservative" might find it slightly amusing,being from Massachusetts.

9 posted on 12/18/2012 10:18:42 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Another oops. But a funny one!


10 posted on 12/18/2012 11:06:35 AM PST by poobear (Socialism, in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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