“We are this point because of OBAMA”
Nonsense. Speaker Bohener has continually chosen to “negotiate” a deal, i.e. a piece of legislation with the president. That is not how our government works. The president should not play any part in the crafting of legislation except perhaps making calls to individual members or suggesting amendments.
The House is its own entity. It is not a subset of the presidency. The House as a body does not need to check in with the president to find out what he will sign or what he wants. The president can sign it or not sign it when a final bill gets to him.
What he have been seeing is an intentional undermining of regular legislative order, which preserves liberty. In the debt-ceiling deal, Boehner, Reid and Obama acted like oligarchs. They met together in a room and decided what would happen, then strong-armed it into law, representative government and the people be damned. And Reid is acting as a shield to Obama because he won’t bring any bill the House passes to the floor of the Senate, or he does so it get’s voted down. He won’t allow any bill to be amended.
And Bohener has gone along with this, because he’s too weak to say “The House of Representatives will not deal with the president. We will pass bills under regular order and send them to the Senate. If the Senate chooses not to take them up, or amend them, there is nothing I can do. The House and Senate will never get to confernece to agree and the president will not receive any bill and the government will shut down if necessary.”
Outstanding post- perfectly summed up.
Please repost this often.
How has this been allowed to happen??!!
Boner needs to be removed ASAP. F-ing crybaby. Give us a man with real balls- not someone who looks like he is allowed to hold the jar they are in every now and then.
procedurally our entire govt is screwed up in an unprecedented way, it started when our ENTIRE establishmenty acquiesced to having a consitutionally ineligible intellectually unqualified petty thug installed in the highest office as a form of reparations
the problem with evil is that it succeeds when good men do nothing- which brings to question whether they are good men
Boehner is a bit player in this Greek tragedy
We are where we all sit today because of OBAMA and whoever is backing him
Exactly right!
We are this point because of OBAMA”
Nonsense. Speaker Bohener has continually chosen to “negotiate” a deal, i.e. a piece of legislation with the president. That is not how our government works. The president should not play any part in the crafting of legislation except perhaps making calls to individual members or suggesting amendments.
The House is its own entity. It is not a subset of the presidency. The House as a body does not need to check in with the president to find out what he will sign or what he wants. The president can sign it or not sign it when a final bill gets to him.
What he have been seeing is an intentional undermining of regular legislative order, which preserves liberty. In the debt-ceiling deal, Boehner, Reid and Obama acted like oligarchs. They met together in a room and decided what would happen, then strong-armed it into law, representative government and the people be damned. And Reid is acting as a shield to Obama because he won’t bring any bill the House passes to the floor of the Senate, or he does so it get’s voted down. He won’t allow any bill to be amended.
And Bohener has gone along with this, because he’s too weak to say “The House of Representatives will not deal with the president. We will pass bills under regular order and send them to the Senate. If the Senate chooses not to take them up, or amend them, there is nothing I can do. The House and Senate will never get to confernece to agree and the president will not receive any bill and the government will shut down if necessary.”
Exactly.
I can’t understand why everyone on this thread does not see that this is the way our Constitution is designed to work.
Also, I repeat that if boner really knew how to negotiate, he would remind obumbler that he has a long long 4 years ahead of him with lots of need for money bills and treating the house badly over taxes is going to make for a very bad 4 years.
Always has. Since Washington.
If you don't approve of efforts to get the president to direct Reid to do his job, perhaps you can elucidate some other more effective method.