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Court case query: Is Topeka man a sperm donor or father? State wants Craigslist donor to pay
Capital-Journal ^ | December 28, 2012 | Tim Hrenchir

Posted on 12/30/2012 5:39:04 AM PST by billorites

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1 posted on 12/30/2012 5:39:11 AM PST by billorites
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To: billorites

I bought a canoe off of Craiglist once. Smooth transaction. Almost bought a drum kit.


2 posted on 12/30/2012 5:41:21 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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Sold my Dakota (pickup, not state or C-47 as Brit plane). Got a great price. From Craig’s list. Usually wear sidearm when making Craigslist deals though.

Sperm? Not for sale. And the wife sez I can’t donate any either.


3 posted on 12/30/2012 5:56:35 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: billorites
This stuff defies credulity. People who follow a moral standard are trustworthy. If people are grossly immoral, how are you going to trust them? They are going to make up the rules as they go along.

Ross Perot so aptly said, "If a man's wife can't trust him, how am I going to trust him?" or something to that effect. It is pure logic what has been stated above, but an immoral leftist will deny it every time. Liberal lefty philosophy kills.

4 posted on 12/30/2012 6:01:01 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: billorites
Marotta signed an affidavit in September saying he had no reason to believe a medical professional wouldn’t carry out the artificial insemination using the semen specimen he provided.

That's where he messed up. Should have had a licensed physician inseminate her. Then, the doctor could have paid the child support. Wait, I'm getting confused....oh, yes, artificial. But, wait, if you're having sex with a lesbian, isn't that "artificial" on it's face? I am so perplexed.

Ban semen cups.

5 posted on 12/30/2012 6:04:47 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Vaquero
Smart wife. The guy (and his wife's) first mistake was to have any sympathy for a “lesbian couple.” Homos of either variety are selfish b*st*rds and notoriously promiscuous, even if they pretend otherwise.

People unable to have natural sex are unable to have natural affection either. It follows that they are also incapable of having natural loyalties or abiding by natural contracts. They make up the rules as they go along and always to their advantage.

6 posted on 12/30/2012 6:05:48 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: billorites

A society needs to insist that any man who fathers a child, by any means, is liable for the support of that child. The covenant is between the child and the father, not the father and the mother.


7 posted on 12/30/2012 6:06:46 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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And the wife sez I can’t donate any either.

Seriously...if one is having sexual relations with a lesbian, is it real sex, or artificial sex? She obviously doesn't enjoy heterosexual coitus, so is it really sex, or just pretend? If then it is artificial by nature, could he not be still considered to be the father because it can't be proved that he didn't donate directly to her instead of through the cup?

If she claims he made a direct, artificial donation to her, then she could have him pay child support. I should have been a lawyer.

8 posted on 12/30/2012 6:08:13 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: billorites

For a brief second I thought the Topeka law firm was ‘Swimmin and Associates’, and I thought ‘perfect!’.

It’s not the first time for crazy coincidences in a posted article where the name fit the situation.


9 posted on 12/30/2012 6:09:22 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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Once the state has provided financial assistance for the child in any way, this is going to happen. Once the women couldn’t provide for the child, the agreement became worthless because they weren’t living up to their side of it. A friend’s ex had been receiving direct child support payments from him according to the court order. She got food stamps for a couple of months and that put him “into the system”. That’s how they do it. The man was foolish to ever get involved in this.


10 posted on 12/30/2012 6:11:58 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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On Oct. 3, attorney Mark McMillan filed a petition on behalf of the Department of Children and Families seeking a ruling that Marotta is the father of Schreiner’s child and owes a duty to support her. It said the department provided cash assistance totaling $189 for the girl for July through September 2012 and had paid medical expenses totaling $5,884.96.

Um, so this goes on with every mother and their sperm donors? No matter the method of how the donation is planted? Welfare, EBT, WIC, Section-8,SCHIP etc. spending is extremely low in this country because the Dept of Children and Families go after all the absentee fathers?
Yeah, OK...

11 posted on 12/30/2012 6:17:06 AM PST by libertarian27
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To: billorites
I swear... why don't more people just get a puppy, eh? Children aren't something you bring into this world just to "go through this experience together."

Okay, we've experienced it. Ew, this is expensive! Let's get some tax-payer money...

12 posted on 12/30/2012 6:21:06 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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Though leftists are convinced marriage is just a social contrivance, so they despise it, the truth is that socially enforced marriage provides enormous benefits beyond just reproduction.

It gives men greater assurance that the children are his. It gives the woman a promise that the man will help her raise her children. And the benefits to the children are huge, in that they are raised on a “success” track, instead of a “survival” track, like the children with a single parent.

This being said, leftists have long tried to destroy marriage, and are contemptuous of it. And they have had enough success in damaging it, that the secular law has had to intervene to artificially create the biological advantages of marriage.

Two sides of this are marriage and child support, along with shared custody. However the third side, providing benefits to the father, is still missing in the law.

Eventually, this will mean that when a child is born, the hospital will do a DNA test of the umbilical cord to determine the DNA of the child, mother and father. And right now, in many places, women are being asked to name the father.

If the father is known, they will be given a six month period in which to take a DNA test that will certify that they either are, or are not the father. If they are, then they owe support, unless the mother’s “man” offers support. If they are not the father, they may still choose to provide support, but if they do not, they must cease contact with both the mother and the child for good, to avoid having to provide support.

If the woman refuses to identify the father, then the umbilical cord sample will be retained by the hospital, for any future claims of paternity, or so that the state may recover money paid in child support once the father is discovered.

As such, you can easily see the ridiculous extremes the law has to go to, to “sort of” replace the advantages of socially enforced marriage.


13 posted on 12/30/2012 6:25:59 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: billorites

Both he and the women involved are theives.

They have stolen something very precious from the little girl. When she grows up, it is most likely she will let them know in no uncertain terms what they have done to her.

Still, at least she will know the identity of her father, which is more than most children conceived by sperm donation and closed adoptions.


14 posted on 12/30/2012 6:36:49 AM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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If I were on a jury that’s how I would see it. The child never agreed to relinquish a relationship with his father or to forgo the fathers obligations. Men know they’re donating sperm for the purpose of reproduction. They want children without responsibility for them. I don’t buy it.


15 posted on 12/30/2012 6:40:37 AM PST by Varda
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To: billorites

I hope they hold this guy accountable and do the same for all other guys in these situations. The only way to stop these people from “playing God” is to make it not worth their while.


16 posted on 12/30/2012 6:44:47 AM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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1. Has a DNA test been performed? No? Dumb daddy just got dumber.

2. did a lawyer draw up the contract and file it with the court? No? Dumb mommies.

3. In our state, if you get benefits (EBT, health ins., etc) we’re gonna find the baby daddy, genetic test him and make him pay. Even tho folks are on welfare, the state wants someone to help foot the bill...and we want dad to be the one.

4. Don’t ever try this at home! If they’d gone thru a sperm donor bank, all the legalities would have been taken care of. Legally.

5. Most important, how’s the kid?


17 posted on 12/30/2012 6:46:18 AM PST by blu
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Thank you.

But it goes far beyond financial support. Anyone who co-creates a child has a common identity with that child and robbing said child of that identity should be a crime.

Beyond that, a co-creator owes the child more than money. Creating a child is a sacred bond. Breaking that bond is an abominable act committed against the child. (This goes for both co-creators).

Notice in the story and the laws, there is no mention of the child’s rights in any sense. This stems from our societal belief of childern having no value. They are disposable.


18 posted on 12/30/2012 6:46:45 AM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: billorites

Idiot.


19 posted on 12/30/2012 6:48:52 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Varda

actions have consequences. . . . .

it is obvious this man did not seek God before making this choice, or, if he did, he didn’t listen.

Prayers for the child.


20 posted on 12/30/2012 6:56:46 AM PST by Tomato lover (God is in control)
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