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Crunching the numbers of the 2013 tax increases (It's official - the rich now pay their fair share)
WTOP ^ | 1/02/13

Posted on 01/13/2013 1:42:07 PM PST by Libloather

WASHINGTON - The prospect of the American economy careening off a cliff overshadowed a tax increase that takes effect immediately, rich or not.

Even with the deal on Capitol Hill, the so-called payroll tax is scheduled to bounce back up to 6.2 percent from 4.2 percent in 2011 and 2012.

In practical terms, this amounts to a $1,000 tax increase for someone earning $50,000 a year and a $2,200 tax increase for someone earning $150,000.

Even workers taking home less than $20,000 annually will be impacted, paying roughly $100 more.

"I think it will have a negative effect," says Neil Buchanan, a law and economics professor at George Washington University.

(Excerpt) Read more at wtop.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2013; increases; rich; taxes
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As the Algore once said, "The debate is over!"

Finally.

1 posted on 01/13/2013 1:42:19 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Every working American just got a 32% increase in their Social Security taxes.


2 posted on 01/13/2013 1:47:09 PM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: Libloather

Left out part employer pays. Will translate to layoffs to compensate.


3 posted on 01/13/2013 1:53:26 PM PST by jonose
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To: jonose
left out the fact that ALL of California's and New York's rich can move to Virginia and reduce their state taxes enough to make up for the loss in federal taxes.

So, there Democrat trough pigs ~ squeal!!!

4 posted on 01/13/2013 1:57:41 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: csmusaret

Well, the liberal view is that the Social Security tax increase isn’t really an increase. In their view, the temporary reduction in those taxes expired, and now the tax rate simply went back to where it was. In liberal speak, that is not a tax increase.


5 posted on 01/13/2013 2:01:20 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: jonose
Left out part employer pays. Will translate to layoffs to compensate.

Actually I am pretty sure the employer paid SS did not change when this "tax holiday" was created.

6 posted on 01/13/2013 2:04:29 PM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Fzob

They changed only the employee paid part.


7 posted on 01/13/2013 2:09:51 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: csmusaret
Not every working American. Just those earning less than the FICA limit which for 2013 will be in the neighborhood of $113,700. FICA tax does not apply to earnings above the limit. I believe it also doesn't apply to things like dividends, capital gains, rent income, etc. In other words, Obama just socked it to the middle class again and they (the lib useful idiots) either don't know or don't care.
8 posted on 01/13/2013 2:13:31 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: muawiyah

The employee pays the whole tab...unless he has a lockbox.

Corporations don’t pay taxes. People do.


9 posted on 01/13/2013 2:14:45 PM PST by Former War Criminal (Who am I? Why am I here?)
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To: Former War Criminal

You got that right. Corporations just collect the tax and pass it on to the government. The end consumer pays all taxes, either as direct tax or higher prices or inflation.


10 posted on 01/13/2013 2:18:16 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Libloather

Payroll tax deflection from:

the price pressures upward due to more cliff government paychecks in circulation: 1. Essentials prices rise and 2. the sales taxes (city, state, etc.,)on everything increase, 3. As less buying due to high prices increase unemployment.


11 posted on 01/13/2013 2:19:32 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: Libloather

Listen you capitalist pig dog, you need to understand in that puny commerce related brain that the rich need to pay for ALL the other years they WERE NOT paying their fair share and by this it means they have to pay for all rich people from last AT LEAST 7,000 years.

They still have so much to PAY for because we won;t be happy until they have no money and even then they should pay with their lives....

Hail Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot.....

(Frothing Leftie Mode Off)


12 posted on 01/13/2013 2:37:13 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Former War Criminal

Some small businesses create fake employees. That way the owners can pull some of their income out of the business activity at a far lower tax rate. I’m thinking of writing an illustrated handbook showing folks how that is done ~ should be a best seller.


13 posted on 01/13/2013 2:38:35 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: jonose
Left out part employer pays. Will translate to layoffs to compensate.

And rightly so, it was only the employee "contribution" that had the tax-holiday that was allowed to sunset. Employers were still paying 6.2% of employee wages up to the cutoff (a bit over $101K, I think). There it no increase in employer costs to trigger layoffs in that part of the deal -- the only place there would be is in raising rates on folks making $450K per year for small businesses that still file as individuals and have that large an income after deductions, and in the curtailment of deductions if it affects business-expense deductions. (Which is not to say there may well not be lots of layoffs due to Obama policies, just that they will be due to the costs of Obamacare and over-regulation, not the "fiscal cliff" deal.)

14 posted on 01/13/2013 2:45:25 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: muawiyah

Very interesting.

Obviously you’ve covered the additional costs associated with each employee: workmen’s comp, unemployment insurance contribution, mandatory healthcare, etc..

But, wouldn’t the company Christmas party be a lonely event? Talk about the ultimate example of pleasuring yourself!


15 posted on 01/13/2013 2:47:01 PM PST by Former War Criminal (Who am I? Why am I here?)
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To: Former War Criminal
i knew nothing ~ then, one day, we got a call from Treasury Department about 'what are we going to do with all these bonds being returned to us ~ is there something wrong with the mail'?

They were in the process of renting a new 10X larger warehouse in Pittsburgh to store the bonds until they could process the change of addresses.

The small business guys creating fake employees had gotten greedy all at once and decided to BUY A BOND A MONTH! This may have occurred as a consequence of heightened awareness of illegal aliens holding regular jobs. The bond trick would, presumably, make these employees seem all that much more American.

Totally weird. They were all mailed DO NOT FORWARD, so when they put in a forwarding order for the fake employee at the relative or friend's address that they'd used, it went back to Treasury Department.

Tens of thousands of tax evaders were soon hoist!

No, I didn't invent the scam, but i certainly did some in depth research into how this one was done ~ just bet it's worse now! Time for ME to cash in with a handbook that tells you how to do it and EVADE detection!

16 posted on 01/13/2013 3:05:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: jonose

Employers didn’t get the 2% break. They’re just evil capitalists anyway.


17 posted on 01/13/2013 3:09:11 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: The_Reader_David; jonose
Think of it this way ~ you'd earlier included an estimate of medical costs in your personal and business decisions. Elective surgery, as well as treatments that could be deferred, were part of your plan. That way if some other financial situation required husbanding resources, you could do that and rescue yourself from bankruptcy or worse.

Now, obamakkkare requires you to figure out your medical costs as your first dollar of expenditure.

We should see a massive increase in bankruptcies and business failures in the first 6 months of next year if this legislative package stays in place.

Obama will have literally destroyed the black middle class ~ among others ~ and ignited a wave of suicides for financial reasons that should shake the foundations of the republic.

And that puke wonders why we need more guns.

18 posted on 01/13/2013 3:11:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

What you are saying makes zero sense. It is far cheaper to pay dividends than to make up a fake employee and pay the burden. Then you say they were buying bonds? What kind of bonds? How would any of that shelter income?

Something is clearly missing from your description.


19 posted on 01/13/2013 4:14:23 PM PST by dinodino
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To: The_Reader_David
Employers were still paying 6.2% of employee wages

That's money your employer would be paying you, but gives it to the government instead. It's still your money. The full 100% of social security taxes is coming from you. It is all part of your total income - your employer's cost of keeping you employed.

When your employer on paper pays you $10/hr, they are really paying $10.62/hr (not including other payroll taxes, unemployment insurance, etc.) Their cost to employ you is $10.62/hr. But instead of giving you all that money, they give some of it to the government instead on your behalf. So yes, you are really paying the entire 12.4% instead of only 6.2%. For the $10.62/hr that your employer allocates for your labor, $1.24 goes to the government which will end up in the general fund. Your employer takes no hit here.

20 posted on 01/13/2013 4:33:29 PM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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