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NYPD will begin testing a new high-tech device that scans for concealed weapons
New York Daily News ^ | January 23, 2013 | ROCCO PARASCANDOLA

Posted on 01/23/2013 4:20:48 PM PST by Vince Ferrer

Get ready for scan-and-frisk.

The NYPD will soon deploy new technology allowing police to detect guns carried by criminals without using the typical pat-down procedure, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said Wednesday.

The department just received a machine that reads terahertz — the natural energy emitted by people and inanimate objects — and allows police to view concealed weapons from a distance.

“If something is obstructing the flow of that radiation, for example a weapon, the device will highlight that object,” Kelly said.

A video image aired at a Police Foundation breakfast Wednesday showed an officer, clad in a New York Jets jersey and jeans, with the shape of a hidden gun clearly visible under his clothing when viewed through the device.

The department will begin testing the high-tech device for use on the street. The device is small enough to be placed in a police vehicle or stationed at a street corner where gunplay has occurred in the past.

Kelly, who first discussed the possibility of using this technology last year, said the NYPD has been working with the London Metropolitan Police and a contractor “to develop a tool that meets our requirements.” “We took delivery of it last week,” Kelly said at the gathering at the Waldorf Astoria. “One of our requirements was that the technology must be portable ... “We still have a number of trials to run before we can determine how best to deploy this technology. We’re also talking to our legal staff about this. But we’re very pleased with the progress we’ve made over the past year.”

The New York Civil Liberties Union last year raised concerns about “virtual pat downs,” and some security experts have said false positives could lead to unjustified stops.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 666; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/23/2013 4:20:54 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

So much for the 4th Amendment.

This country is so screwed.


2 posted on 01/23/2013 4:25:08 PM PST by qaz123
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To: qaz123

At least I had a boyhood back when this was America. I can’t imagine growing up now.


3 posted on 01/23/2013 4:29:56 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

I don’t see a problem with this.

Just as long as they have a warrant, based on testimony from my accuser describing the weapon and given under oath or affirmation under penalty of perjury.

Of course, if they have that, I won’t object to a physical search anyway. So they can refund the taxpayer money they spent on this high-tech gadgetry, and everyone goes home a winner.


4 posted on 01/23/2013 4:31:19 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Vince Ferrer

Is this what we have to look forward to?
5 posted on 01/23/2013 4:31:34 PM PST by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: jmcenanly

Yes, except in our case it is worse. In that movie, all the people who walked by knew they were walking into a secure area and would be scanned. This scanner was bought to hide in a van and to drive around randomly scanning people who don’t know they are being scanned.


6 posted on 01/23/2013 4:36:45 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer
Hope that thing doesn't emit any kind of radiation that causes cancer. The law suits will bankrupt NYC. But it might not be a bad idea to get illegal guns off the street.
7 posted on 01/23/2013 4:43:11 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: Vince Ferrer
allowing police to detect guns carried by criminals

Well thankfully it only works on criminals.
8 posted on 01/23/2013 4:44:29 PM PST by posterchild
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To: Vince Ferrer
So NOW maybe y'all won't make so much fun of the tinfoil hats and other accessories favored by many FReepers !

Not only proving to one and all that they've NOT necessarily been paranoid all this time, but NOW their fashion statements can also F with the fascist lackeys of NYC !

9 posted on 01/23/2013 4:45:44 PM PST by tomkat
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To: deweyfrank
But it might not be a bad idea to get illegal guns off the street.

Which in New York, is now including most all of them. These things can probably ping a house, too.

10 posted on 01/23/2013 4:48:34 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: F15Eagle

Big Brotherly Love Ping.


11 posted on 01/23/2013 4:48:59 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

The whole country is moving in the opposite direction, of allowing ordinary citizens to carry concealed, and the courts are backing that view up pretty well so far. So, why waste millions and millions of taxpayer dollars on a machine that will detect something that is sure to be completely legal in NYC within a few years?


12 posted on 01/23/2013 4:49:41 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Vince Ferrer
Local constabulary knows that if I've got pants on, and I'm outside, I'm carrying. And have a hold out. And a pocket knife.

/johnny

13 posted on 01/23/2013 4:50:28 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Vince Ferrer

You’ve got a point there. I retract that good idea thing.


14 posted on 01/23/2013 4:52:52 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: Vince Ferrer

I have an idea; “step right up, get yer terahert blaster! Guaranteed to overload or blind any terahert sensor “


15 posted on 01/23/2013 5:12:11 PM PST by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I see someone making dummy pieces of metal or some other substance that would appear as a weapon on this scanner. Can just see everyone start carrying it with them hoping to hit the law suit jackpot.


16 posted on 01/23/2013 5:15:13 PM PST by Kadric
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To: Vince Ferrer

everyone walk around with a ball of tin foil in their pockets Or an altoid mint can that should keep them busy.


17 posted on 01/23/2013 5:27:02 PM PST by bikerman (Gun control does nothing to stop gun violence. But then, Washington specializes in the art of doing)
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To: Vince Ferrer

sounds like chainmail shirts are coming back into fashion


18 posted on 01/23/2013 5:32:01 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I wonder how long it will take John Roberts to rule in favor of this new gadget.


19 posted on 01/23/2013 5:40:02 PM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: Vince Ferrer

***The NYPD will soon deploy new technology allowing police to detect guns carried by criminals without using the typical pat-down procedure,****

Forty five years ago Emanuel Cellar (who with Thomas J Dodd called for gun registration) said he wanted a metal detector designed so police could could drive down a street and “zap” a people from a distance and find out if they are wearing a firearm.


20 posted on 01/23/2013 5:42:40 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

4th amendment, in fact, no part of the Bill of Rights is an impediment to your oath and loyalty to the Constitution.

Flat out Un-American and absolutely Anti-American.

LEO will become predators if they are not now.


21 posted on 01/23/2013 5:44:17 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: posterchild
Well thankfully it only works on criminals.

That's a given.

If you are carrying a gun, you are a criminal.< /statist mode >

22 posted on 01/23/2013 5:51:29 PM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: posterchild
...allowing police to detect guns carried by criminals.

Well thankfully it only works on criminals.

I picked that up too. A bit of salesmanship from the author.

23 posted on 01/23/2013 5:57:12 PM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: Boogieman
Boogieman said: "So, why waste millions and millions of taxpayer dollars on a machine that will detect something that is sure to be completely legal in NYC within a few years?"

That's an excellent point.

Under the present conditions in New York City, one might expect that most people concealing a weapon are "criminals". When this is no longer true, then the invasion of privacy which would occur by revealing what is inside the pants of a law-abiding citizen would become even more stark. No Warrant, No Zap.

24 posted on 01/23/2013 6:46:52 PM PST by William Tell
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To: Vince Ferrer

This device probably has a false positive rate of 50%, but no matter, it gives police another “probable cause” excuse to search and detain anyone.
No need to wait for the phony dog sniffing routine.
The tyranny is hardening. We are transitioning into a hard tyranny.


25 posted on 01/23/2013 9:07:37 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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To: deweyfrank

“But it might not be a bad idea to get illegal guns off the street. “

How can a scanner tell a legal gun from an illegal one?


26 posted on 01/24/2013 6:36:38 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: qaz123

Of course it only works if you are carrying on your person. My purse emits no such radiation to be blocked. Just sayin....


27 posted on 01/24/2013 6:44:43 AM PST by Mom MD (A million people attended Obamas inauguration. 14 of them actually missed work)
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To: tomkat

Great idea!!!if everyone had several gun shaped cardboard cutouts (or metal ones, I don’t know how thick the material has to be) hidden randomly in their clothing we could have the police out there ridding the city of cardboard shapes all day long! The new scanner would be In the trash in days!


28 posted on 01/24/2013 6:48:25 AM PST by Mom MD (A million people attended Obamas inauguration. 14 of them actually missed work)
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To: Mom MD
You think like me .. and that might oughta scare ya a little

lol

29 posted on 01/24/2013 7:48:30 AM PST by tomkat
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To: tomkat; Mom MD

You think like me .. and that might oughta scare ya a little
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We ‘all’ should be a little, well a lot scared.

Don’t forget an 8 yr old can be taken into custody for a ‘paper’ gun or pretend gun so if an adult does it the charge will probably be a FELONY as you are impeding an investigation.

If they are now admitting it, how long has something like this been in use?

We didn’t know what ‘profiling’ was till a couple of cops went on public TV and ‘bragged’ about it, while profiling has been in use since day 1.

If you are at a lumber jack convention and there is a murder and the murderer was described wearing a colored, checkered shirt and was tall, the police already have scads of potential murderers/suspects.


30 posted on 01/24/2013 8:00:47 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: Boogieman
See Post 14. I think I retracted that statement.
The scanner can't tell the difference between legal and illegal. But Cuomo will make them all illegal. Everybody will become a “bad” guy.
31 posted on 01/24/2013 8:15:42 AM PST by deweyfrank
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To: tomkat

Age and treachery beat youth and enthusiasm every time!


32 posted on 01/24/2013 10:01:15 AM PST by Mom MD (A million people attended Obamas inauguration. 14 of them actually missed work)
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