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Police Appeared To Shout 'Burn This Mother' Down Before Fire Engulfed Rogue Ex-Cop's Cabin
Business Insider Military & Defense ^ | 13 Feb 13 | Paul Szoldra

Posted on 02/13/2013 3:00:36 PM PST by Repeat Offender

A six-day California manhunt ended Tuesday with rogue ex-cop Christopher Dorner apparently dying in a cabin fire on Bear Mountain.

One of many big questions to be answered is how the deadly fire was started.

Multiple unconfirmed audio clips appear to show police officers talking about burning down the cabin in which the alleged cop-killer was hiding.

Deliberately starting a fire, rather than waiting out the suspect, could be seen as an extreme measure.

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In an unconfirmed video showing live footage from KCAL9 Los Angeles, officers are apparently caught in the background around the 20 second mark saying, "burn that f------ house down." It continues:

[Inaudible]

"Burn him out!"

"Get to him right now, f------ burn this motherf-----!"

Another unconfirmed video posted to YouTube of television coverage from CBS 2 captures officers apparently saying, "burn it down, burn it down ... get the gas." Another officer says, "yeah, burn it down." The exchange happens around the 1:24 mark:

The Guardian reports that journalist Max Blumenthal was listening to the police scanners, and live-tweeting the event.

On the scanners, Blumenthal reports hearing an exchange where the police talk about using "burners." The Daily Caller is reporting that is police slang for tear gas.

"All right, Steve, we're gonna go, we're gonna go forward with the plan, with the burner."

"Copy," is the response.

"We want it, like we talked about."

"Seven burners deployed and we have a fire," says the first voice.

"Copy. Seven burners deployed and we have a fire," responds a female voice.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: California
KEYWORDS: dorner; lapd
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To: driftdiver

So, you think it’s ok to kill cops.

And then engage in a firefight killing another local deputy?

Gotta be a Paulian. You’re slime buddy.


251 posted on 02/14/2013 5:31:40 PM PST by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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To: Alaska Wolf; driftdiver

Can you two just “shake hands” and agree to disagree?

Neither one of you is going to change your opinion.

.


252 posted on 02/14/2013 5:34:51 PM PST by Mears
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To: Mears
Can you two just “shake hands”

Sorry, I can't abide with criminal apologists and moral cowards.

253 posted on 02/14/2013 5:38:42 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: rbmillerjr

“So, you think it’s ok to kill cops.”

Did I ever say that? No, you ignorant fool.


254 posted on 02/14/2013 5:44:32 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Then you agree that it was his fault that he engaged in a firefight and was thus killed....correct?

Then STFU


255 posted on 02/14/2013 5:47:49 PM PST by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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To: Mears

Yes I won’t change my mind that the police should not be judge jury and executioner.


256 posted on 02/14/2013 5:48:57 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Reminds me of the ObamaTrons who would require our military to serve a warrant to people firing on our soldiers, sailors and marines.


257 posted on 02/14/2013 6:03:32 PM PST by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Well, considering as how they were chasing him down the road firing at him and they hadn't positively ID'd him at that point, they opened fire on him BEFORE he opened fire and murdered police officers.

If there is ever a time that the police opened fire on me, I'd hole up in the house and shoot back. They've already made up their mind to kill you......might as well bring a few along for the ride.

Look, Chris Dorner is was a scumbag and society's better off with his death.

However, we have a rule of law in this country. We are a country of laws; not men. The police are no better than you or I, and the police do not have shoot on sight authority.

I cannot believe people on FR don't see a problem with LAPD slamming into two vehicles, shooting (AT) three people and hitting 2. Opening fire on an individual without positive ID and then intentionally burning down property that didn't even belong to the alleged, as of then unidentified, perp.........oh yeah and didn't know if there were hostages/others in the cabin.

Yay giddy FR glee that the guy the think is a cop murderer is dead and the police posed more menace to the public at large than the perp.........yet, they'll be the first one to bitch when it's their rights that are being trampled.

It's fine to assume guilty until proven innocent when the alleged perp votes democrat (and apparently Huntsman and GHWB). They lap up the media (they claim to not trust) story and hang on every somber cop's statement.

Who cares if a property owner lost their property because the police set it afire.

Until that is the shoe is on the other foot......then it's the property owner all the way. Randy Weaver was innocent. The Branch Davidians were unjustly slaughtered. The guy that shot Tiller was defending innocent life. The NOPD had no right to confiscate firearms during the riots and killings in the aftermath of Katrina.

I've come to realize that many a FReeper is happy being their own little statist so long as the police power is doing their bidding or the outcome falls in line with their views.

258 posted on 02/14/2013 6:08:20 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Repeat Offender

Dorner declared war in his Manifesto.

He declared war on every member of the LAPD. Every wife and every child of an LAPD member.

And numerous other people, he perceived to be wrong.

You should read his Manifesto.


259 posted on 02/14/2013 6:16:53 PM PST by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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To: Repeat Offender
they were chasing him down the road

He was running from the police? Why?

they opened fire on him BEFORE he opened fire and murdered police officers.

Can you provide some evidence to support that?

If there is ever a time that the police opened fire on me

Why would that happen? Can we have a show of hands here on FR of all the people who the cops have opened fire on?

I cannot believe people on FR don't see a problem with LAPD

We are discussing the San Bernardino Sheriff's department. I 've already dealt with the LAPD previously. Separate departments and incidents.

a cop murderer is dead

What about the young female basketball coach and her fiance? Don't they count? Are you so blinded by your cop hatred?

260 posted on 02/14/2013 6:22:08 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: rbmillerjr

KMA


261 posted on 02/15/2013 4:51:08 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

SMD


262 posted on 02/15/2013 5:34:39 AM PST by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Who cares why he was running down the road. Fleeing does not justify deadly force.

Why would that happen? Can we have a show of hands here on FR of all the people who the cops have opened fire on?

I'm sure there are not many on FR that could say that; however, there are numerous articles about police entering the wrong house and firing on the worng individuals - see LAPD shooting at 2 newspaper delivery women and man it just happened to be driving a pickup for example. Maybe you can find them on FR now.

Further, under the details provided when the story broke....before all of the updates - the story was there was a gun battle and police believed it was Dorner they were shooting at.

The poster I was responding to had remarked along the lines of why someone would shoot at the police when there were so many police and helicopters in the area.

My response was if police shot at me, I would return fire. It was hypothetical and had nothing to do with you snippy bullshit remark about how many FReepers have ever been shot at by police. It has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. I'm sure you'll ask me to find a link........it's called google - you can go ahead and look it, I've already provided two well known recent examples.

I will say this, I have been dragged out of a pickup and cuffed at gunpoint by police before because someone had made a false statement (proven false by video evidence) that he had threatened them with a rifle (he didn't even have a rifle or any firearm for that matter) and I was in the vehicle with him when we were stopped.....had they decided to just open fire, like the LAPD, instead of detain; I would've fired.

a cop murderer is dead What about the young female basketball coach and her fiance? Don't they count? Are you so blinded by your cop hatred?

Yes I am so blinded by my hatred of cops that I called Dorner a cop murder and remarked he was dead. I don't even know what the point of your contradictory question was. I guess because you think I hate cops so much that when I stated a cop killer was dead, I forgot to mention someone else, not a cop, was also murdered? Wouldn't that mean I hate civilians and found them not worthy to mention?

BTW, the young female basketball coach....he fiance WAS a cop.

Lastly, in the initial story, as it was breaking, it was Wildlife had fired at him and Dorner had fired at the Wildlife vehicle.

I don't know what you are upset about and why you are trying to take things out of context......I said society is better off he is dead.

I'm glad he is dead.

I don't know what else you expect me to say. What I will not agree to is the LAPD shooting up random vehicles and people because they're scared. What I will not agree to is police torching an innocent third party's property when they didn't know if there was anyone else inside.

The police should not be walking around with looser ROE than infantry troops deployed to a war zone.

If you think otherwise, that's your perspective; I don't give a damn. If you somehow think I hate the police because because I called a cop murder a cop murder and think the LAPD was wrong to shoot at random civilians.....well, that's your foolishness. Or maybe you're upset because I think it is wrong of San Bernadino PD to intentionally premeditated torch an innocent person's property.....I don't know. Maybe you believe only cops have any type of rights in this country.

If that makes me a cop hater......well than Alaska, you got me - I hate cops; you win. So be it. Report me to flag@whitehouse.gov or whoever else your jackboot masters are.

Maybe you'll tell me again I have no credibility because I don't like the NRA helped draft anti-gun legislation. I don't know.

Please please educate me in the ways of doublethink.

263 posted on 02/15/2013 2:02:55 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: rbmillerjr
I did read the manifesto. I don't care if he sent a youtube video to CNN saying he was going to kill people.......the police still do not have the right to shoot first ask later.

This isn't Cuba or North Korea.

264 posted on 02/15/2013 2:04:49 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Repeat Offender

And it’s no Liberal La La land either.

The person who saw him, the guy he hijacked, stated he had a ballistic vest on and a high powered rifle with tons of magazines strapped to his body.

BTW, there was a firefight while he was holed up in his cabin. He chose to fight. He could have surrendered.

Freepers defending killers...who woulda thunk it.


265 posted on 02/15/2013 2:15:00 PM PST by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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To: Repeat Offender
Who cares why he was running down the road. Fleeing does not justify deadly force.

Not a criminal apologist like you, obviously. What justification did the fleeing fugitive have for firing on law enforcement?

I have been dragged out of a pickup and cuffed at gunpoint by police had they decided to just open fire

They didn't, did they?

I don't give a damn

That's obvious.

Maybe you believe only cops have any type of rights in this country.

That proves that you are either misinformed or ignorant.

your jackboot masters

OMG, you need the assistance of a psychiatrist.

266 posted on 02/15/2013 2:36:41 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Repeat Offender
This isn't Cuba or North Korea.

They have much lower crime rates, don't they?

267 posted on 02/15/2013 3:38:03 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; BwanaNdege
It only matters when it is THEIR RIGHTS donchaknow!

The POS had 6 days to surrender peacefully, but instead went on a killing spree and forfeited his due process by firing at and killing innocent people. That you defend him is indicative of the type of person you are.

Can you tell me what right Dorner had to kill a young female basketball coach?

268 posted on 02/15/2013 3:57:40 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
That you defend him is indicative of the type of person you are.

Love your tactics.

I don't defend the pos, I question the tactics the government used to apprehend him.

NIce try.

269 posted on 02/15/2013 4:13:32 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Dittos


270 posted on 02/15/2013 4:19:33 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: BwanaNdege
Thanks.

It's disgusting to see the same accusations/tactic the left use, "Republicans want to starve children, drink dirty water, don't mind dead kids because they support the NRA " right here on FR.

Sad.

271 posted on 02/15/2013 4:33:00 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
I question the tactics the government used to apprehend him

What justification did Dorner have to kill four people? He chose not to surrender peacefully and forfeited his right to due process when he fired at law enforcement personnel. The use of deadly force by police is justified when they are under fire. You do know that, don't you?

272 posted on 02/15/2013 5:13:43 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Well played. At least now we know how they plan to deal with “weapons dealers” who don’t turn their guns in when Obama orders it.


273 posted on 02/15/2013 5:23:35 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Alaska Wolf
What justification did Dorner have to kill four people?

He didn't have any.

When I see you can have discussions rather then trowing libtard accusations I'll consider having one with you.

Until then I'm not going to waste my time.

274 posted on 02/15/2013 5:23:46 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: driftdiver

Thanks, and I’m thinking in the same things you are.


275 posted on 02/15/2013 5:27:29 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Sorry if I offended your juvenile, liberal sensibilities.

The use of deadly force by police is justified when they are under fire. You do know that, don't you?

276 posted on 02/15/2013 5:30:00 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Great way to make my point numb nuts.

Have a nice night.


277 posted on 02/15/2013 5:39:32 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
numb nuts.

Great way to make my point, LOL!

Sorry if I offended your tender, juvenile, liberal sensibilities.

The use of deadly force by police is justified when they are under fire. You do know that, don't you?

278 posted on 02/15/2013 5:43:52 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

BTTT!


279 posted on 02/15/2013 5:49:27 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

BTTT...he ran away.


280 posted on 02/15/2013 6:02:30 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
he ran away.

Plan on hunting him down?

281 posted on 02/15/2013 8:16:20 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

AK Dog will run in circles chasing his tail. Have Fun!

Happy Friday from pyscho!


282 posted on 02/15/2013 8:22:58 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?)
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To: presently no screen name
Plan on hunting him down?

Nah, not worth it. I like challenges. LOL!

283 posted on 02/15/2013 8:38:25 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
They have much lower crime rates, don't they?

Yes, but I don't know if they have as many useful idiots.....or none as eager to prove they are one such as yourself.

284 posted on 02/15/2013 8:48:09 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Repeat Offender
useful idiots.

It's a shame there are so many of you.

285 posted on 02/15/2013 9:09:58 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: drpix
You deceitfully truncate the quote into: "It is the cops' and every other patriotic American's duty to kill the SOB."

Bull crap!

I quoted the only relevant part.

There is NO mitigating circumstance that justifies your "remedy." But like any other authoritarian, you vainly try to contrive a justification that ultimately satisfies only yourself, and those who agree with you in the first place.

No one who truly believes in the rule of law could ever approve your police-state sensibilities, regardless of the excuse.

286 posted on 02/16/2013 12:21:41 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Alaska Wolf
Nah, not worth it. I like challenges. LOL!

Not from what I've seen here. Your consistent retreat to taking cover behind rhetorical "human shields" every time you are asked to answer a tough question, demonstrates as much. Not to mention your rather ham-handed accusations on your opponent's motivations.

Only a jack-booted thug, or shameless cop sucker, could contrive circumstances where an agent of the state burning someone alive is justifiable.

And that is exactly what you are doing.

What's next: holding a "suspect's" loved ones hostage? If you don't like the implicit "American" ROEs, find another job.

287 posted on 02/16/2013 12:49:34 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Alaska Wolf
The use of deadly force by police is justified when they are under fire. You do know that, don't you?

He was contained. A siege would have been not only more justifiable, but more economically responsible.

288 posted on 02/16/2013 12:54:43 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
Your consistent retreat to taking cover behind rhetorical "human shields" every time you are asked to answer a tough question,

What tough questions. I've addressed all that are relevant to the thread subject.

jack-booted thug, or shameless cop sucker

I'll bet your eyes are brown.

What's next: holding a "suspect's" loved ones hostage?

Dorner went a little beyond that, didn't he? He killed the young daughter of a former cop and killed another cop leaving two young children fatherless. You pathetic criminal apologists make me want to puke.

289 posted on 02/16/2013 3:04:22 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: papertyger
He was contained.

He was armed and shooting at law enforcement and endangering lives. The POS had 6 days to surrender peacefully, but he chose to kill innocent people and was attempting to kill even more.

290 posted on 02/16/2013 3:15:50 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
I've addressed all that are relevant to the thread subject.

No, you haven't, but you have consistently turned to waving the dead victims around when questioned about the actions of police.

I'll bet your eyes are brown.

I'll bet your chin is wet.

Dorner went a little beyond that, didn't he? He killed the young daughter of a former cop and killed another cop leaving two young children fatherless. You pathetic criminal apologists make me want to puke

Much as you prefer to ignore it, the salient point being discussed here is the actions of the police, not those of Dorner. Your inability to grasp that fact makes you either too dull to have an opinion worth considering, or a provocateur trying to derail the legitimate objections of critics.

On a personal note: there is nothing I'd like better than to make you "puke."

291 posted on 02/16/2013 3:20:00 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Alaska Wolf
He was armed and shooting at law enforcement and endangering lives. The POS had 6 days to surrender peacefully, but he chose to kill innocent people and was attempting to kill even more.

Which has exactly nothing to do with the fact he was contained.

292 posted on 02/16/2013 3:21:37 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
Which has exactly nothing to do with the fact he was contained.

If someone has the ability to endanger and kill, how are they "contained"? You criminal apologists are all in need of psychiatric help.

293 posted on 02/16/2013 3:30:01 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
If someone has the ability to endanger and kill, how are they "contained"?

If explaining the points and details of a siege is something beyond your understanding, you have no business offering opinions. It's a military tactic that has only been used by military and law enforcement against armed, barricaded, opponents since....oh....THE DAWN OF ORGANIZED WARFARE!

idiot.

294 posted on 02/16/2013 3:37:55 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Alaska Wolf
If explaining comprehending the points and details...etc.
295 posted on 02/16/2013 3:41:17 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
I doubt a criminal apologist like you will read or have the necessary intelligence to learn from this, but some others may be interested.

Deadly Force

An amount of force that is likely to cause either serious bodily injury or death to another person.

Police officers may use deadly force in specific circumstances when they are trying to enforce the law. Private citizens may use deadly force in certain circumstances in Self-Defense. The rules governing the use of deadly force for police officers are different from those for citizens.

During the twelfth century, the Common Law allowed the police to use deadly force if they needed it to capture a felony suspect, regardless of the circumstances. At that time, felonies were not as common as they are now and were usually punishable by death. Also, law officers had a more difficult time capturing suspects because they did not have the technology and weaponry that are present in today's world. In modern times, the courts have restricted the use of deadly force to certain, dangerous situations.

In police jargon, deadly force is also referred to as shoot to kill. The Supreme Court has ruled that, depending on the circumstances, if an offender resists arrest, police officers may use as much force as is reasonably required to overcome the resistance. Whether the force is reasonable is determined by the judgment of a reasonable officer at the scene, rather than by hindsight. Because police officers can find themselves in dangerous or rapidly changing situations where split second decisions are necessary, the judgment of someone at the scene is vital when looking back at the actions of a police officer.

The Supreme Court has defined the "objective reasonableness" standard as a balance between the rights of the person being arrested and the government interests that allow the use of force.

The Fourth Amendment protects U.S. citizens from unreasonable searches and seizures, the category into which an arrest falls. The Supreme Court has said that a Search and Seizure is reasonable if it is based on Probable Cause and if it does not unreasonably intrude on the rights and privacy of the individual. This standard does not question a police officer's intent or motivation for using deadly force during an arrest; it only looks at the situation as it has happened.

For deadly force to be constitutional when an arrest is taking place, it must be the reasonable choice under all the circumstances at the time. Therefore, deadly force should be looked at as an option that is used when it is believed that no other action will succeed. The Model Penal Code, although not adopted in all states, restricts police action regarding deadly force. According to the code, officers should not use deadly force unless the action will not endanger innocent bystanders, the suspect used deadly force in committing the crime, or the officers believe a delay in arrest may result in injury or death to other people.

Circumstances that are taken into consideration are the severity of the offense, how much of a threat the suspect poses, and the suspect's attempts to resist or flee the police officer. When arresting someone for a misdemeanor, the police have the right to shoot the alleged offender only in self-defense. If an officer shoots a suspect accused of a misdemeanor for a reason other than self-defense, the officer can be held liable for criminal charges and damages for injuries to the suspect. This standard was demonstrated in the Iowa case of Klinkel v. Saddler, 211 Iowa 368, 233 N.W. 538 (1930), where a sheriff faced a Wrongful Death lawsuit because he had killed a misdemeanor suspect during an arrest. The sheriff said he had used deadly force to defend himself, and the court ruled in his favor.

When police officers are arresting someone for a felony, the courts have given them a little more leeway. The police may use all the force that is necessary to overcome resistance, even if that means killing the person they are trying to arrest. However, if it is proved that an officer used more force than was necessary, the officer can be held criminally and civilly liable. In Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1, 105 S. Ct. 1694, 85 L. Ed. 2d 1 (1985), the Supreme Court ruled that it is a violation of the Fourth Amendment for police officers to use deadly force to stop fleeing felony suspects who are nonviolent and unarmed. The decision, with an opinion written by Justice byron r. white, said, in part, "We conclude that such force may not be used unless it is necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."

When deadly force is used by a private citizen, the reasonableness rule does not apply. The citizen must be able to prove that a felony occurred or was being attempted, and that the felony threatened death or bodily harm. Mere suspicion of a felony is considered an insufficient ground for a private citizen to use deadly force. This was demonstrated in the Michigan case of People v. Couch, 436 Mich. 414, 461 N.W.2d 683 (1990), where the defendant shot and killed a suspected felon who was fleeing the scene of the crime. The Michigan supreme court ruled that Archie L. Couch did not have the right to use deadly force against the suspected felon because the suspect did not pose a threat of injury or death to Couch.

296 posted on 02/16/2013 3:42:10 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: papertyger
If explaining the points and details of a siege is something beyond your understanding,

Were you born ignorant or is it just a conscious choice you've made?

297 posted on 02/16/2013 3:47:55 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: papertyger

Don’t choke on the crow, hotshot! LOL!


298 posted on 02/16/2013 4:12:43 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: hunosehu; papertyger
Larry Davis was “contained”...right up to the moment that he shot six cops and escaped.

The criminal apologist has gone into hiding like Davis and Dorner. They both met their end and hopefully roast in hell for eternity.

300 posted on 02/16/2013 5:12:09 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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