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I think Benedict Arnold had a similar conundrum - loyalty to the King or to freedom loving patriots.

Sounds like our military "politicians" might be a little too anxious to ignore little things like the U.S. Constitution, posse comitatus, lawful orders, etc.

They had better remember that our politicians work for the American citizens and that the Constitution is the law of the land.

To ignore the Constitution would be very foolish.

1 posted on 03/01/2013 8:15:25 PM PST by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

I was an AF officer; an AF Academy grad, Strategic Air Command Aircraft Commander. I remember raising my right hand and swearing...swearing...to defend my country from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Seems our military is now run by pu**ies. I’d tell them to their faces, and I was commissioned in 1977. I wouldn’t piss on ‘em if they were on fire.


2 posted on 03/01/2013 8:20:34 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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It’s a shame that our military leadership has become so gooshy under decades of incrementalism from the pushers of feminism/romanticism. That shows in our general civilian society, too, though, in business, academia and politics. It’s the cause of the current economic decline, too.

Have fun. Enjoy the slide.


3 posted on 03/01/2013 8:26:31 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Perseverando

Perfumed Princes


7 posted on 03/01/2013 8:42:45 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Perseverando

Just like any other Banana Republic leader, Obama is replacing the top military brass with supporters of his revolution. Castro, Ortega, Noriega, and Chavez all love Obama.


9 posted on 03/01/2013 8:48:25 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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Their best bet is to go along until Obama issues truly unlawful orders that threaten the citizenry of the country or unduly give in to an enemy (such as not stopping an attack on CONUS).


11 posted on 03/01/2013 8:54:53 PM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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The JCS are a gang of bedwetters, especially the Chairman. I don't think there's much doubt about the military being used against American civilians. They're just waiting for 0bama (through Upchuck Hagel, of course) to give the order.

General James Mattoon Scott: Where are you now that we need you?

12 posted on 03/01/2013 8:56:58 PM PST by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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Seig Heil, Sieg Heil, mein Fuhrer....
Obama


13 posted on 03/01/2013 9:22:06 PM PST by hapnHal (hapnHal)
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To: Perseverando
The article is BS.

The social issues are not the Chiefs doing. You can "praise" the American people for that. They elect who they elect.

The Chiefs can either implement the policies or quit.

Gen Ron Fogelman (Air Force 4-star) quit in protest during the Clinton Administration over the way the whole Lt. Kelly Flynn affair had been politicized and also because the Khobar Towers investigation had been politicized.

The public yawned. It was an act of selflessness that was completely lost on the American people.

The military took notice.

Moreover, these cuts are not fictitious.

It is a 13% immediate cut to the Defense Dept - sequestration hits the DoD harder than any other government agency. It is 17% of the budget and must absorb 50% of the cuts.

Even furloughing all of the DoDs civilians (to include nurses, shipyard workers, electricians, aircraft maintenance technicians, lawyers, engineers, teachers, etc) will only save $4 Billion of the $46 Billion the Pentagon is expected by Congress and the White House to find laying around in some magic hat.

The Pentagon has already been cut by $487 Billion that began in 2011 - two years ago. Those cuts have the DoD in a very real decline - and sequestration is a death blow.

Military pay and most procurement dollars are "off limits" for sequestration, so the military must raid Operations and Maintenance for most of the deep cuts. That is going to be a GREATER than 13% cut - it is now projected to be 40% or more.

What reality do these reporters and GOP Congressmen live in?

Rowan Scarborough of the Washington Times is acting as a tool for GOP Congressman who are looking for political cover for abandoning Defense and sacrificing it on the altar of politics.

The fact is GOP Congressmen like Hunter and Bishop were shamed during the House Armed Services Committee testimony by the Chiefs, and they didn't like it one bit. They looked like bumbling fools trying to justify the evisceration of the military.

The 2011 Budget Control Act was a Faustian bargain that betrayed the military and the men and women who serve this nation. Obama is a wicked, evil man - but Republicans who have embraced this betrayal are now no better.

Ashton Carter, the Deputy Secretary of Defense, is an honorable man who even has vowed to cut his pay 20% to show solidarity with the men and women (over 40% of the veterans themselves) who will be furloughed by this political treachery. He is a political appointee and exempt from the cut - but he is doing it anyway.

Where are the Republican Congressmen and their staffers who are doing the same thing?

I'll tell you - no where.

Just a couple of years ago, men like this General, who have personally committed acts of wartime heroism, were hailed by our so-called "Conservative" leaders.

Now, suddenly, when the GOP has been out maneuvered politically, they are all "hacks."

Sure.

The real issue is Entitlements are destroying this nation. But there are too many getting them to care what their greed is doing to institutions like our military.

God help us all.

25 posted on 03/02/2013 3:51:53 AM PST by SkyPilot
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How true! Too many of those in leadership are only interested in their careers and have become Obama butt boys or girls. They’ll do Obama’s bidding without a squak. The good officers have tendered their resignations. Are these officers asked if they will fire on american citizens?


26 posted on 03/02/2013 4:39:02 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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Carter and Clinton both carried out purges of the militaty’s officer corps. Democrats do that. As leftists, they fear the military and spend an inordinate amount of energy neutralizing the perceived threat by defunding the military as much as practical and by emasculating it and primarily by purging the experienced field grade and general officers and replacing them with politically reliable bureaucratically inclined officers. Olenin is acting according to type. He is also going a step further and copying the Soviet Union in creating a separate domestic oriented military force beholden to the Leader, himself. The Soviets had their MVD and KGB. Olenin has TSA and FEMA- and SIEU for auxiliaries. Olenin is much more aggressive than Either Clinton or Carter. That is why I t think he intends that there will not be a successor president in 2017.


30 posted on 03/02/2013 6:05:04 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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Just look at Carney, the carney.

He sold his soul for what, $200k/year?

Now look at him. There's nothing left of him. He's a shell of a human being. He's freakin' Gollum. I hope it was worth it.

39 posted on 03/02/2013 6:36:44 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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Hopefully, there will be a chance to remember who these worms are. Hopefully, it will work out for them just like it did for Nazi sympathizers.

I’ve been reading “The Admirals” about Leahy, King, Nimitz and Halsey. Four more different people could not be found. Of the three, King seems to have been the most prototypical of the type that makes it to the top these days. Why is it that those who make it to the top are most often disrespected? Is it simply jealousy or is it something they do?

Of the four Admirals Nimitz seems to be most admirable and then Halsey. Both seemed to be lacking in guile and having leadership abilities. Leahy was just smooth and loyal but not an outstanding leader.

It seems to me to rise to the top you have to be willing to leave a part of you behind. You also seem to need to take one for the boss, not for the team. To declare and demonstrate fealty to the boss.

I have said for years that the attitude of the staff is a reflection of the attitude of the management. Like promotes like or what he can control.


48 posted on 03/02/2013 7:58:50 AM PST by Sequoyah101
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Isn’t Benedict Arnold our Secretary of State?


52 posted on 03/02/2013 8:20:58 AM PST by saminfl
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bump for later


58 posted on 03/02/2013 3:44:30 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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This mob will ruin the public’s opinion of the military...and it’s funding.

American-American people won’t forget the betrayal and they are the current population pool volunteering for service.

However, the foreigners and welfare mob who have no concept of American freedom, are impressed by Obama’s strong armed fascism and they are the future pool of citizens for our military.

American-Americans will reject military service in the future if it is anti-Christian/anti-American/anti-freedom. Americans are not going to risk their lives for the ideals of fascist globalism.

The US military had best hope there enough foreigners with enough votes/tax money to support the military industrial complex in the future. Problems is the foreigners and welfare mob would rather fund welfare and globalism - profit and power, devoid of morals, ethics and constitutional freedom, is not inspiring.

This is why we are hearing around returning to a draft. These amoral, anti-freedom stinkers can smell the future they have created.


66 posted on 03/02/2013 4:11:01 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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