Posted on 03/10/2013 8:19:44 AM PDT by BroJoeK
That's easy. Whenever your folks declared war on the United States, they brought a big heap of trouble down on their heads.
It wasn't such a smart thing to do.
Funny thing too, because a lot of smart people have done that -- nobody smarter than the Japanese or Germans, and yet they made the same mistake.
Wonder why?
;-)
Which makes their love of that whole slavery thing kind of hard to understand.
How much were the duties on Southern exports?
Now you're just making stuff up out of nothing.
There were no duties on Southern exports.
Any import tariffs were passed by Congress, which was more often than not controlled by the Southern Slave Power.
Ok, so the Southerners of 1860 are the same as Nazi’s and Japs of 1940 in your mind. Great, stuff your research. GTH.
You've got to be kidding me. Read the Stupid Goon's second inaugural. He so much admits he turned down peace delegations. The audacious buffoon. Sic Semper Tyrannis.
“Any import tariffs were passed by Congress, which was more often than not controlled by the Southern Slave Power.”
Hohoho, which is why there were protective tariffs for Northern industries. The South was subsidizing Northern industries for a long time. They were getting very tired of it by the time the civil war rolled around.
Did the union pay for the federal property that they stole? No?
Then I don’t see what the problem is with the Confederacy taking over federal buildings in the South.
“But the Confederacy made no approaches to Congress to approve secession or resolve its issues.”
They made plenty of approaches and Lincoln ignored them all. I guess he figured, (correctly at that), that Northerners 150 years later would approve of the expansion of federal power to the benefit of the north in the great ‘war of liberation’.
Which is why the promised Virginia tariffs as high as they wanted to protect their industries if only they would join the Confederacy.
But I imagine that the anger on import tariffs was nothing compared to this tariff you were talking about on exports. Can you provide more information on that?
They didn't steal anything until the outbreak of the rebellion. Then legislation was passed that allowed the government to seize without compensation any property used to aid the rebel cause. I assume that's what you're talking about when you accuse them of stealing?
Then I don’t see what the problem is with the Confederacy taking over federal buildings in the South.
They didn't belong to them.
And all the federal buildings didn’t belong to the union either, but they took them all the same.
Then I don’t see what the problem is with the Confederacy taking over federal buildings in the South.
That is illogical. Presumably post offices, customs houses, court houses, forts, etc. were already paid for.
Try to avoid stupid tit-for-tat arguments. Not every statement works the same way if it is reversed.
When? Certainly not in 1860 or 1861. All that property, save a fort or two, was taken by force by the rebels.
If it’s ok for the Union to take over federal installations in the North, then it’s perfectly fine for the Confederacy to do so in the South.
The problem is that Lincoln wanted the whole loaf. Which meant war. The Confederacy was satisfied with exercising their right to secession peacefully, but due to Lincoln’s obstinancy, such was not possible.
“When? Certainly not in 1860 or 1861. All that property, save a fort or two, was taken by force by the rebels.
*sigh*.
All the federal installations in the North. Taxes from the South paid for their construction. The south should have either received compensation for what they had paid into, or received control over the federal installations in the South. Either/or. Lincoln wanted all of it so War was inevitable.
Yes they did.
Oh, I see. Then all the installations in the South belonged to the Confederacy. :)
You can just as easily say that all the federal installations in the South were paid for by taxes from the North.
Which is why the South was owed either compensation for what they did pay or the installations in the South. Either/or.
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