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To: central_va; Sloth
central_va supporting Sloth's special theory of Constitution: "The above commentary was written by a devout radical ABOLITIONIST Lysander Spooner."

Quoting on Lysander Spooner:

Thanks, central_va, for telling us where Sloth got the "special" idea of an unlawful US Constitution -- Lysander Spooner!

So in post-war 1868, Spooner was an anti-war, anti-Constitution, anti-big-business, radical abolitionist socialist/communist anarchist!
That means he was far from Conservative nor even Libertarian as we understand those today.

It also means this: when you begin making arguments against the Constitution as it was intended, then you do not support the Free Republic, but some other vision that is neither historical, workable or even seriously definable.

"ANARCHIST" or "COMMUNIST" best describe such ideas.

745 posted on 03/20/2013 4:33:52 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
This is not a Spooner thread but he was no Communist:

Spooner believed that it is beneficial if people are self-employed so that they could enjoy the full fruits of their labor rather than having to share them with an employer. He argued that various forms of government intervention in the free market made it difficult for people to start their own businesses. For one, he believed that laws against high interest rates, or "usury" prevented those with capital from extending credit because they could not be compensated for high risks of not being repaid: "If a man have not capital of his own, upon which to bestow his labor, it is necessary that he be allowed to obtain it on credit. And in order that he may be able to obtain it on credit, it is necessary that he be allowed to contract for such a rate of interest as will induce a man, having surplus capital, to loan it to him; for the capitalist cannot, consistently with natural law, be compelled to loan his capital against his will. All legislative restraints upon the rate of interest, are, therefore, nothing less than arbitrary and tyrannical restraints upon a man’s natural capacity amid natural right to hire capital, upon which to bestow his labor....The effect of usury laws, then, is to give a monopoly of the right of borrowing money, to those few, who can offer the most approved security." [25]

748 posted on 03/20/2013 5:01:18 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BroJoeK; central_va
Those of us who have been treated to cva's bizarre anti-American outbursts over the years have come to recognize him as a crypto-anarchist, but I never thought I'd see the day when he openly quotes and endorses the words of commie anarchists.

That makes this a red-letter day I suppose ;-)

752 posted on 03/20/2013 5:32:10 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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