Posted on 03/13/2013 7:23:38 AM PDT by GrootheWanderer
Senators negotiating a bill mandating background checks for all gun buyers are privately expecting the National Rifle Association not to fight the measure -- provided the legislation does not require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks, NBC News has learned.
If that requirement is met and key Republican negotiator Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma signs on, the powerful gun lobby has signaled to lawmakers that they would not actively oppose the bill -- and not count votes in favor of it as part of its highly influential NRA lawmaker ratings -- according to Senate aides familiar with the stalled negotiations.
Such a deal could clear the way for a universal background check bill, a central tenet of President Barack Obama's gun control initiative, to pass the Senate with significant Republican support. Odds of passage in the House would brighten significantly as a result.
The NRA denies being part of any agreement. "We do not take positions on hypotheticals. We will make our position known if and when legislation is introduced," said Chris Cox, the group's top lobbyist.
The NRA is still adamantly opposed to expanding background checks to private sales. "To be clear, the National Rifle Association does not support legislation that would criminalize otherwise lawful transfers of firearms between law abiding Americans," Cox said.
(Excerpt) Read more at firstread.nbcnews.com ...
Nothing But Clintonistas.
The story posted on NBCNews.com alleges that NRA will not oppose expanding the background check system to include all private firearm sales, "provided the legislation does not require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks".
This statement is completely untrue.
The way NBC and Team Obama the Assclown work to dispirit conservatives and Republicans ought to be well-known by now. We need to quit falling for such crap. Boycott NBC advertisers, tell them why.
Don't feed the beast.
I work with computers and regardless of what the “authorities” may say, you can be sure that if there is a centralized, universal background check system, there will be some backup record kept of every transaction. The best that we can hope for is that it only records “long gun” or “handgun” along with our personal information, and not a specific model and S/N. If this thing is passed, there will be a centralized record of every gun you buy from now on.
“It would have to track the serial number. How else would you prove a background check was completed for the transfer?”
Background checks shouldnt have anything to do with the serial number. All they need is the information required to see if there is a reason to deny the sale.
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Someone needs to remind Coburn who elected him. Does he suddenly think Oklahoma's political grounding has shifted leftward?
I have no problem about MY retention of the checks. I am diametrically and vehemently opposed (to the point of outright civil war) to GOVERNMENT retention of the transaction. It is nothing more than registration and that is nothing more than confiscation yet executed.
Unlike the Jews in prewar NAZI Germany, I will not go quietly into the night. Nor will I let supposed self interested groups negotiate away my Bill of Rights affirmed rights.
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+1 here
This is not a good deal, because the BATF&E are currently ignoring the law, demanding copies of gun dealers entire logbooks. This almost certainly means that they are maintaining a database of gun owners.
So if the law is ignored, do they think that passing new laws will have any more effect?
The only protection for the citizenry is the private sale of guns not recorded by anyone.
For perhaps 50 years now, the USG has been obsessed with collecting as much personal information about individual citizens as possible.
This is not being done for our benefit.
Nor does it accomplish any reasonable role for government. In fact, it even fails as a means of tyranny, though it clearly does make the rule of government more tyrannical.
Our education is monitored, as is our medical records, our census data, our vehicle ownership and use, our employment, our communications and opinions expressed to others, our money and our spending, our faiths and beliefs, etc. ad nauseum.
But all it amounts to is perverted, mentally ill voyeurism.
The new, massive archive created in Utah recently has no real purpose other than the accumulation of vast amounts of utterly useless “raw” information.
All because our political leaders have personal “control issues”, hating and fearing the people they do not understand.
Should it all be swept aside? Yes, for the most part. It is a waste of time and vast amounts of money. And not spending that money is a better use for it.
Agreed. NRA too often compromises with these relentless gun grabbers. Little by little, death by a thousand cuts. It’s why I quit years ago.
There's millions of gun owners across America that are waking up to no ammo or reloading supplies; they will shake it up in 2014 just like 1994; ain't nobody giving up guns; not in the cards. We need to make that point to our filthy politicals.
I believe the NRA already released a press comment indicating NBC was wrong. (aka lying)
seems like rino poop.
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Statement from Chris W. Cox, NRA-ILA Executive Director, regarding inaccurate NBC story alleging that NRA won't oppose background check bill
An article appearing today on NBCNews.com is falsely reporting that NRA will not oppose legislation being negotiated in the U.S. Senate that would mandate background checks for all gun purchasers.
The story posted on NBCNews.com alleges that NRA will not oppose expanding the background check system to include all private firearm sales, "provided the legislation does not require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks". This statement is completely untrue. The NRA opposes criminalizing private firearms transfers between law-abiding individuals, and therefore opposes an expansion of the background check system.
The NRA supports meaningful efforts to address the problems of violent crime and mass violence in America, through swift and certain prosecution of violent criminals; securing our schools; and fixing our broken mental health system.
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If it's good enough for the Zimmerman 911 tape, it's good enough for the NRA.
senators watch msnbc, congresses favorit channel, and read the NYT. that is it.
ok now how do we crush the career of the reporter and newschief stupid enough to allow this story?
Well, that's exactly my point.
Those yahoos are woefully uninformed, and definitely misinformed (for the reasons you cited) and those who are "undecided" need to know that this is a hoax, and to stay in the fight.
Whether the NRA can do this or not, I don't know... but there needs to be an effort to refute the NBC lies.
We are in a critical hour before the culture war goes hot. If the NRA caves in to any “compromise” I will never support them again.
I hope so!
They haven’t. This is more “fake, but accurate” agitprop.
I also note that the original poster hasn’t been back to their thread.
Just sayin’...
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