“Oddly enough, none of the people you mention want to be absorbed by their mickey mouse neighbours.”
That was the idea of planting colonists there to begin with, eh?
The northern Ireland example is absurd; much of western Europe was Celtic, and as they were pushed westwards they were left with corners of France and Spain and the islands of Britain and Ireland. The Saxon invasion, followed by Vikings and Normans, added to the mix, but the Scottish Celts remain distinctly different from those of Ireland and Wales (who differ from each other as well). Scottish Protestants were planted there to remove Catholic Irish from the land (and replace them with livestock); the Scottish were in no way “returning home”. Nice to see them today asking for the independence they helped the English deny the Irish centuries ago.
If Britain planted a flag on some uninhabited island along the Florida coast we’d have something to say about it; we conveniently ignore the Monroe Doctrine when it benefits white English speakers to do so.
1-—Sins has a point. The Cruthin tribe, whose ‘empire’ stretched over Ulster and W Scotland, settled and intermarried with the other Celtic tribes in Scotland (Britons, Galloway celts, Picts) over time as Scotland became one nation.
The Plantation of Ulster was done mainly by Scots from the Lowlands/SW Highlands, so many of those moving to 17thC Ireland would have been returning to where some of their (cruthin) ancestors would have lived.
2—Sorry, but who gives a monkeys about Monroe?. Americans think we are all supposed to kneel at the feet of this exalted doctrine.
“The northern Ireland example is absurd; much of western Europe was Celtic, and as they were pushed westwards they were left with corners of France and Spain and the islands of Britain and Ireland. The Saxon invasion, followed by Vikings and Normans, added to the mix, but the Scottish Celts remain distinctly different from those of Ireland and Wales (who differ from each other as well). Scottish Protestants were planted there to remove Catholic Irish from the land (and replace them with livestock); the Scottish were in no way “returning home”. Nice to see them today asking for the independence they helped the English deny the Irish centuries ago.”
Even if you ignore the fact that they where returning back to their ancestral homeland, The plantation of Ulster happened in the 17th century, which happened earlier than the settlement of most of America, so when are you going to leave America and go back to Ireland then, if you care so much about what happened when one people displaced another?
In any case, most nations where founded through conquest if you go back far enough, so what happened centuries ago is of little relevance to the present.
In any case, the Falklands is one of those ‘nations’ if you will that was established without conquering or displacing any native peoples. If any nation has a right to decide who by and how they are ruled, it is the Falkland Islanders.
If Scotland wants to decide to become independent, that is their right. That is how things are done in the 21st century, not by nursing grudges of conquests that happened well beyond living memory.
“If Britain planted a flag on some uninhabited island along the Florida coast we’d have something to say about it”
They are called “The Bahamas”
The UK hasn’t planted a flag on a group of islands ‘just off’ the Argentinian coast though. The Falkland Islands are around 310 miles (500km’s) from Argentina, far and away removed from what is considered to be a nations territorial waters or even its Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), which tops out at 210 miles.
So even after the EEZ, there is another 100 miles of clear, rough, open ocean before you get to the FI’s.
All of which is a moot point of course, as given we all believe in the concept of democracy here, telling the only permanent inhabitants of the island who voted to remain as a B.O.T that they must now be part of Argentina (who invaded only a generation ago) is contrary to law.
One cannot pick and choose when you want democracy to apply when it gives you the result you didn’t want. That’s just mental.