Posted on 03/30/2013 5:32:33 PM PDT by SkyPilot
I did not know the Koran said that, but Muslims deny Christ. They seem to think He was a good teacher, but Christ claimed to be the Son of God. If Christ was just a teacher, He was a very bad one. He’s either the Son of God and our ONLY path to salvation, or He’s a liar. Christ Himself didn’t give us any wiggle room on that.
I need to study more about this Pope, but this particular article troubles me. Leftists have long dreamed of a single religion, a one world church, to unify all believers. It’s almost as though they don’t realize most major religions completely reject the others. There’s simply no way to reasonably claim Mohammed and Christ were both right.
One may mean "brothers and sisters in that we are all one part of the human family, sons of Adam according to the flesh."
(This makes us brothers and sisters because of our relationship to Adam, our common ancestor.)
The Bible refers to God as the "Father [meaning Creator] of all" (Ephesians 4:6)
(This makes us brothers and sisters because of our relationship as creatures to God, our Creator.)
What we are NOT, is brothers and sisters to Muslims as born-again in Baptism or in the Christian Faith, since they do not share our Baptism or the experience of being born-again or the Adoption. They are not of the household of the Faith. They are not our brothers and sisters "in Christ". Nor would they claim to be.
Bu the Pope didn't call them "brothers in Christ."
He DID tell them Jesus is God (Link) --- there were THREE Scripture readings, and then this short sermon --- and said we all must love, trust, and imitate Jesus -- told them in simple, plain words as befits their youth and their almost total ignorance. A short and touching sermon.
God bless you, CitizenUSA.
Christ is Risen!
Jesus did not wash the feet of Christians.
Keep in mind that the EneMedia (Slate, AP, etc) is blowing this all out of proportion because they love driving in wedges and creating factions. It's an old, old strategy.
If you were tSatan, what ould you love, love, love o do during the Triduum? You would love to split Catholics away from their new Pope, and split the Church into waring factions. Get their minds off Easter!
"Rorate Caeli" is was out on the fringe. No way do they represent Traditional Catholics.
IMHO.
Christ is Risen!
Christus Resurrexit!
...and please don't forget the Alleluia :o)
>> They were about as Christian as it is possible to get.
Indeed.
Thank you for the link to the sermon. Christ washed the feet of believers. It was for their (and our) benefit. There’s no evidence Christ directed this particular act (or what it symbolized) toward unbelievers. Given the spiritual implications of this act, I still think the Pope sent the wrong message. Muslims and other unbelievers don’t need to have their feet washed, because they haven’t had the initial, full body cleansing.
Again, the Pope seems to think this is only about serving others, including unbelievers. Even if that’s the only point he was trying to make, it seems incredibly naive for him to not know others believe this act has spiritual overtones separate from the service theme. Therefore, he probably DID know others would take offense at this, but he did it anyway. That implies he sent a message.
Is this Pope going to be about fixing this world, social justice, serving people’s material wants and needs, etc.? Is he going to try to make peace with diametrically opposed religions, like Islam? I hope not.
For the record right now it is very difficult to see you as a Christian.
“Some were quick to question whether the move could be seen as the first step in opening up the Church to women’s ordination, although the Vatican has cautioned against reading too much into every little move.”
A lot of libs are going to be very disappointed when the Church continues to have an all-male priesthood; there is simply nothing Biblical about modifying that (although this goofy series “The Bible” tries to push the lib line that Mary Magdalene was an apostle in every way). Francis is not just the Pope of the Latin Rite (”Roman Catholic”) Church; he is the Pope of many Eastern Catholic Churches that would have no choice but to go their own way (in many cases probably re-joining their Orthodox counterparts) to keep true to Christianity.
Christ’s (AND OUR COMMANDED) mission was and is to minister to the unforgiven.
He did raise a 12 year old girl from the dead, didn't He.
Believers like Judas?
Please tell me you’re not one who believes social justice and fixing this world is more important than preparing people for the next one!
You are of course correct and no I am not a Social Justice advocate.
You assume that working among the needy and helping lead people to Christ are mutually exclusive.
They are not because in order to get people to believe, you must first get them to listen
In my experience, the most significant factor in many people's change of heart is their association with a person who they come to accept and trust due that person's selfless devotion to service to others.
At some point, when people learn that the teachings of Jesus are a strong motivating factor behind the vocation, then these people are more interested and receptive to hearing the teachings of Jesus and adopting Christianity.
At some point people wonder why some white upper middle class yuppie is right besides them wiping up the vomit while caring for somebody sick with a horrible, often contagious disease
Or they wonder why that same person would put themselves into a position to get beat up walking a 6ht grader home from school in the ghetto so they don't get beat in to a gang.
Or they wonder why that same person has come to some remote third world hell hole and voluntarily live in horrible conditions to help the local people build a water or electrical system.
At some point, they tend to ask why are you doing this, are you crazy.
The answer ,of course, is I'm doing it because I follow the example and teachings of Jesus.
More often than not, they want to hear more about this Jesus guy and what could he have done or said to motivate someone to give up comfort and privilege to share their suffering in an effort to help them. When they, hear they listen. Some even end up to believe. Not as many as one would like, but a few.
It's kind of like leading from the front by example.
That's my point. I also think that it may be a point our new Pope is trying to get across to us.
Sometimes listening to Tammy Fae Baker just does not do the job for some people.
Sounds like Dan Brown has the makings for a new book.
>> Jesus did not wash the feet of Christians.
>> Christ washed the feet of men.
Specifically, the Promise of Christianity was fulfilled after the Resurrection. No denominational nor gender prerequisites that I’m aware of.
causing made up conflict......at my church, the priest washed lots of feet and they were feet of both genders...
I didn’t assume taking care of people and telling them about Christ are mutually exclusive. You misinterpreted my post. What I wrote was that some people, not necessarily yourself (that’s why I asked you), consider the service to be more important than the message. What good does it do to fill empty bellies if one never gets around to talking about Christ? My point was that’s what I observe around me, a lot of charities that are somewhat Christian but never actually get to talking about Him except in very general ways.
In regards to the Pope’s act, do you think Christ washed the disciples feet because He intended them to go out and wash the feet of unbelievers? If so, why did He say, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.” Hmmm. That doesn’t sound like He was talking about the physical act of washing feet. It sounds like He was making a deeper point...to the disciples...who were believers.
If Christ was trying to be humble, then why did He then say, “Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean.” Peter had just asked to have his head and hands cleaned, too. Now if Christ was doing all this to be humble and show service, why didn’t He do what Peter requested? Wouldn’t that be even more humble? I think so, but Christ seems to be making a different point.
What point is that? Christ then said, “Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet.” Christ is not “Lord and Teacher” for unbelievers (that includes Muslims of course). I suppose you could argue He’s Lord over everyone (He does have authority over all) but only believers are His students.
Christ’s statement was directed at the disciples, His students. He was admonishing them to serve each other, to forgive each others trespasses, i.e. Luke 11:4 “Forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.”
If you feel that I have incorrectly interpreted the applicable passages, please explain. I’m always eager to better understand scripture.
verga: “For the record right now it is very difficult to see you as a Christian.”
I think he meant unrepentant Muslims. A person cannot follow both Christ and Mohammed. If I met a Muslim who had converted to Christ, I wouldn’t call them a Muslim. They’d be a Christian.
>> I think he meant unrepentant Muslims
All irrelevant. No constraints.
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