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900,000 choose to come off sickness benefit ahead of UK tests
Telegraph (UK) ^ | 9:00PM GMT 30 Mar 2013 | By Patrick Hennessy

Posted on 03/31/2013 12:31:32 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin

Nearly 900,000 people on incapacity benefit dropped their claim to the payments rather than undergo a tough medical test, latest government figures show.

The 878,300 who decided not to have an official assessment of whether they were fit for work was more than a third of the total number of people claiming sickness-related benefits.

The statistics also revealed that some claimants cited conditions such as “blisters”, “sprains and strains” and “acne” as preventing them from having a job.

More than 46,120 people claimed incapacity benefit because of “behavioural disorders due to the use of alcohol” while 29,130 claimants cited drug use.

Ministers said the figures showed the full extent of how millions had been “trapped on welfare” for decades.

Grant Shapps, the Conservative Party chairman, said the old system was “evil” and accused Labour of using sickness benefits to “hide the unemployed” when the party was in power.

The statistics emerged ahead of a raft of controversial changes to the benefits system which will come into force this week. An overall benefits “cap”, which will prevent any household receiving more than £26,000 a year in total benefit payments - a figure set to reflect the average gross salary of a full-time worker.

Labour say the average household will be £891 worse off in 2013-14 because of tax and benefits changes.

Iain Duncan Smith, the Work and Pensions Secretary, has faced criticism after scaling back a pilot scheme for his flagship universal credit - which will merge dozens of different out-of-work benefits into a single payment with the aim of ensuring an individual is always better off in work than on benefit.

Instead of being tested in four job centres, the new system will only be piloted in one from this week amid claims the new scheme is in chaos.

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1 posted on 03/31/2013 12:31:32 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin

ROTFL! Socialism. Ya gotta love it. Another fraud scheme perpetrated on the taxpayers by freeloaders.


2 posted on 03/31/2013 12:33:43 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Barry gave the Republicans a free lunch. All the taxpayers got was a lousy tax increase.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Sounds like something desperately needed in the USA. I would not be the least bit surprised if 15 to 20 percent of those collecting disability benefits are scams.


3 posted on 03/31/2013 12:34:58 PM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Good for the Brits! Will we have the good sense to do the same? (Right!)


4 posted on 03/31/2013 12:36:48 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Fzob

Here in the U.S., Can we lock up the lawyers complicit in this American fraud?


5 posted on 03/31/2013 12:38:16 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

It’s a miracle!


6 posted on 03/31/2013 12:38:38 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Happy Blessed Easter, All FReepers!)
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To: Fzob
I would not be the least bit surprised if 15 to 20 percent of those collecting disability benefits are scams.

I think you're low-balling. It's probably closer to 90%+.

7 posted on 03/31/2013 12:38:43 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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8 posted on 03/31/2013 12:39:07 PM PDT by narses
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To: Fzob
bingo... and the Doc's that assisted them in their fraud should have their ticket punched from practicing medicine ever again unless and until they pay back every penny the US Taxpayers got scammed out of!!!
9 posted on 03/31/2013 12:39:37 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: George from New England
Here in the U.S., Can we lock up the lawyers complicit in this American fraud?

Good question. I suppose it's possible but highly unlikely.

10 posted on 03/31/2013 12:44:12 PM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

TESTS??! We would NEVER impose on people for such a thing in the USA! They have rights! We should just trust them. If they say there are disabled, then that is the end of it. We just pay them to be alive until they die. We OWE it to them.

/s /large


11 posted on 03/31/2013 12:47:13 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

It’s worse than the 878k number would indicate

878,300 dropped their claims

837,000 were found fit to work

367,300 were fit for some amount of work

232,000 (just 1 in 8) were found to be unable to work


12 posted on 03/31/2013 12:49:19 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Fzob

> would not be the least bit surprised if 15 to 20 percent of those collecting disability benefits are scams

If my personal observations are any indication, it’s more like 60%-80% disability fraud. Lazy schmucks stealing from us that work for a living.


13 posted on 03/31/2013 12:52:08 PM PDT by soycd
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To: smoothsailing

They’re doing the opposite over her, encouraging unemployed to go on disability.


14 posted on 03/31/2013 12:53:08 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: DeaconBenjamin

GEE! That sure cured them a lot better and faster than the communist style health care UK has!

(we get articles from UK almost daily about patients dropping dead in hospital due to starvation or failure to provide care... also extremely lengthy waiting periods to see medical personnel or receive certain important treatments or surgeries)

hopefully all those articles are wrong, or exaggerations, but.... this new approach has cured nearly a million disabled people almost instantly.... (an amazing MIRACLE appropriate to this Easter/Passover season)...

Congratulations, United Kingdom!


15 posted on 03/31/2013 12:53:24 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: DeaconBenjamin

OMG!!! BLOODSUCKERS!! Just like we have here!!


16 posted on 03/31/2013 12:56:09 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Fzob

MILLIONS are collecting disability and most are RECENT! It’s probably 60% are FRAUDS!


17 posted on 03/31/2013 12:57:17 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

It’s a MIRACLE....Just like Billy Ray Valentine being able to WALK!!!


18 posted on 03/31/2013 12:58:22 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Rusty0604
It's high time we tested our own deadbeats instead of coddling them.

Let's have a Miracle Cure right here in the USA!!!


19 posted on 03/31/2013 1:01:13 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Fzob

” I would not be the least bit surprised if 15 to 20 percent of those collecting disability benefits are scams.”

In this country is likely is at least 50% scamming the system. And Nobama loves it...helps keep unemployment numbers unrealistically low.


20 posted on 03/31/2013 1:02:46 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Bob
Nice catch. From the article:

As well as the 878,300 who chose to drop their claims, another 837,000 who did take the a medical test were found to be fit to work immediately, while a further 367,300 were judged able to some level of work.

Only 232,000 (one in eight of those tested) were classified by doctors to be too ill to do any sort of job.

So, 878k bailed without taking the test, and another 1.4 million people were tested, with 232k found truly unable.

21 posted on 03/31/2013 1:14:54 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
In Sweden, they routinely do what they call "hitting the wall". Then they take a year, two or more off. It's completely socially acceptable and no one bats an eye to hear of it.

After, they return to their same jobs as the company as to take them back.

Sometimes, they hit the wall for a while, go back to work for a while, hit the wall again, vacation time again. You get the picture.

22 posted on 03/31/2013 1:17:59 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

it also keeps lawyers rich


23 posted on 03/31/2013 1:23:51 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Then, there is the other side: I didn't know my (now deceased) husband when he went on disability when he was in his mid 30s. He had ankolosing spondalitis, which is a bone disease but didn't know that until it destroyed his bone system. He was an engineer and one day at work, fell to the floor and never worked with a company again. His spine had collapsed, breaking in numerous places. He underwent back bone surgeries, then both his hip bones died. He was in a wheelchair for months until they discovered the hips bones had died, then had both hips replaced.

During that time, he filed for disability. Someone told him that only black people manage to get disability. That made him mad and determined to get it. He was sent to numerous doctors to determine if he could ever get better. One of these “doctors” told him to hop on one leg down the floor. He refused (because he had artificial hips put in not long ago). That doctor listed him as “uncooperative”.

That doctor's report made a hearing necessary. While my husband was with that doctor, he noted he did not see any doctor license or certificate on the wall anywhere. The hearing happened and my husband told the hearing panel he didn't think that man was licensed in this state. Sure enough, he wasn't. The doctor's report was thrown out and he got the disability. He had to go through hell to get that but he absolutely could not work. He had to give up his career and that was hard.

The doctors also said he would be dead by his early forties as the disease would stop his breathing and he would have to be put in “an iron lung” (that is what was used in those days). This man was determined not to die from that disease. He lived until age 66 until he died of brain cancer.

Back when he had to fight for disability it wasn't easy to get, and I don't know if it was true black people had an easier time getting it.

Years after that happened to him (and I still didn't know him), I psychologically tested people for Social Security disability or SSI disability. They had to bring all their medicines to me to list on the documents I had to complete about them. My report I wrote was usually 10 pages long, single spaced. At the end, I made a recommendation whether or not, in my opinion, based on the testing and personal interview, this person qualified for disability. The Social Security Administration would never see this person so I wanted to be sure I gave them enough information to know this person.

I saw people in terrible physical condition. I also saw one that I didn't recommend for disability payments. She was turned down and called my office. I told her all the records were owned by Social Security and she would have to contact them as they made the final decision. I also found out she had been turned down before.

I know I did my job thoroughly back then. I don't know how these matters are decided now.

24 posted on 03/31/2013 1:30:30 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Maybe we need a test here


25 posted on 03/31/2013 1:42:14 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Bob

only 1 n 8 were really disabled? wow


26 posted on 03/31/2013 1:43:08 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Well we can’t use a pulse test, because in a lot of urban locations, dead people receive benefits and vote, LOL.


27 posted on 03/31/2013 1:43:25 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Izzy Dunne

In percentage terms - Of the 2,314,600 people on disability, only 232,000 (10.023%) were found to be disabled with another 367,300 (15.9%) partially disabled. That’s a 75% fraud rate (assuming that the partial disability claims are genuine).


28 posted on 03/31/2013 1:49:44 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Fzob

Including scams that are perfectly legal; many disability programs include “addiction”. In my neighbourhood there are a lot of able-bodied drunks and crackheads collecting benefits. The state as enabler.


29 posted on 03/31/2013 1:59:50 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Bob

Many, many moons ago, my mom worked for the state in one of the welfare programs. At that time, she figured about 3 in 4 people in her caseload were working the system. She had 600-ish cases, do the math.

Of course, she is more conservative than me, so they gave her the hardest ones. Still, three in four checks with your stats.


30 posted on 03/31/2013 2:26:10 PM PDT by wbill
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To: DeaconBenjamin

shocker! problem here is those who would administer such tests are 3rd worlders and will give the stamp of approval to their own kind and their family and neighbors who bribe them


31 posted on 03/31/2013 2:29:51 PM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing--- Joe Pine)
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To: Fzob

It’s already here and it’s 2 or 3 times the 15/20 percent that you cited.


32 posted on 03/31/2013 3:22:05 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Leveling the playing field for a Progressive is dragging everyone down to their level.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

This is a rare thing for me to say, but we need to follow the British example in this case. Require a strict medical assessment for those on disability, kick off those who can work.


33 posted on 03/31/2013 4:11:23 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: dennisw

Not agreeing as to third worlders, but I did hear from an interpreter in a neighboring county that no hispanics could expect to receive welfare benefits in that county because all that money belonged to people who shared the race of the Department of Human Services workers.


34 posted on 03/31/2013 4:58:15 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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