McCain: 'I don't understand' GOP filibuster on guns

“The purpose of the United States Senate is to debate and to vote and to let the people know where we stand.”
No, you are wrong. You are supposed to listen to the people and serve the people not the government. You are the one out of touch. Who do you really think you are?

Brings to mind another political ice-hole, Arlen Specter, who pontificated that "The Senate WILL prevail!" when asked about some unpopular law.

These people look upon themselves as a House of Lords.

Tacky, Tacky if that is the tackiest thing you have seen someone post I would be surprised. And as far as what I should or should not know about the site by your looking at my sign up date is an assumption on your part. Not everyone on the site is an expert in all the little rules and excepted practices, some of us learn as we go. As far as my comment about a particular person, you are the one that leapt to a conclusion and took it to Reagan who I have the greatest respect and admiration for and sorely miss!

I didn’t say that anyone *here* said he was.

I meant that the popular GOP trope is that McCain is a “conservative.” McCain claims such (when he thinks it suits him), the media echos this claim (when it suits them) and the various GOP establishment hacks claim this (when it suits them).

Even the supposed “litmus testing” organization, the ACU, claims McCain is a conservative. I don’t know whether their ratings can be bought, but their entire measurement system by which they define “conservative” has now been so watered down, I don’t think they know which way is up.

We here at FR are seen as a proctological nuisance to the GOP. We’re the wingnuts, the people who insist on purity, et al... we do know what is and isn’t conservative.

What I’m pointing out is that we should ignore labels and start looking at what someone is actually DOING. And in that aspect, the supposed “libertarian” newbies in the GOP are delivering a whole lot more actual conservative actions than the winkled old tuskers of the GOP, who we all know have sold out and would sell their own mothers to a Turkish whorehouse if peddling her mouldering corpse would get them $100 for their re-election campaigns.

I have yet to see Rand Paul actually DO something “libertarian...” (like actually vote to legalize dope, or abortion, or anything of that matter), but I’m seeing him actually DO things I’d expect out of a conservative. People get all wound up over what Paul says... where I get severely pissed off by what clowns like McCain *do*.

I didn’t say that anyone *here* said he was.

I dunno. The tone and context kinda came off like you were saying that. At least, that's how I took it.

Of course, I discount the RINO weirdos that have infested our party for a few decades now. Republicans are a damaged brand, now.

Anyways, I agree with your disgust at any of the people or organizations that falsely imply McCain is anything but a far-left liberal Democrat.

I read something in the lamestream media just this morning, calling Rand Paul a “libertarian” then (later in the article) a “conservative.” The take-away, tho, was seeing “libertarian” punched up in the headline.

And they noted the disagreement with McCain over the gun legislation pending in the Senate. The overall article painted Paul in a good light (but being the MSM, expressed a tut-tutting tone about guns in general), but McCain didn’t come out that well. Wish I could remember it - read it on my iPhone right as I was waking up.

The larger point I should be making in light of recent polling showing that “conservative” policies are popular... until people find out that they’re being proposed by the Republican Party, shows that labels can become poisoned. I think that McCain (and his ilk) have “poisoned” the “conservative” label - along with the Republican label.

This comes as no news to Freepers. We’ve seen this crap coming for some time. We know that the GOP needs a heavy application of a broom and pine soap after the mess that clowns like McCain/Grahamnesty, the Bushes (all of them) and clods like Phil Gramm have made.

So if Rand Paul (et al) are going to be called “libertarian” and he gains some success at setting Obama and his cadres back on their heels, then people who don’t like the “libertarian” label are going to have to suck it up for a bit. Because we’d better not turn up our noses at success, even if it comes under banners that social (or other) “conservatives” don’t like.

Right now, that success is being led by Rand Paul, who is being called a “libertarian.” That’s it. Full stop. It’s best to not get too picky about the hide of the horse if he’s taking you in the general direction you want to go. He’s the only guy I’ve seen proposing eliminating entire cabinet-level departments, much less standing up for our Constitutional liberties in such a way that people in power start spluttering and saying “WTF are you DOING? Don’t you know you’re interrupting our Very Fine Dinner with our Dear Leader?”

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