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1 posted on 04/14/2013 11:28:49 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
This is what liberals are thinking of as covered by the 2nd Amd.

Just give them a few more years.


2 posted on 04/14/2013 11:33:39 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Kaslin
Voters elect senators to get things done.

WRONG. Voters elect senators to represent their interests.

Something today's congressmen and women seem determined to avoid doing.

3 posted on 04/14/2013 11:34:11 AM PDT by skeeter
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The problem isn’t background checks, it’s requiring that the make, model, and serial number be recorded along with the name and personal details of the purchase.

Check, but don’t register.

And make the check system available for anyone to call in to check out anyone. Including a prospective babysitter or school teacher.


4 posted on 04/14/2013 11:34:35 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: Kaslin

What am I missing? If you buy from an FFL dealer at a gun show you go through a BI. If you buy from the internet, you have to have an FFL dealer receive it and BINGO, you go through a BI.


7 posted on 04/14/2013 11:47:22 AM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Kaslin

“Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., and Pat Toomey, R-Pa. — unveiled a plan to require background checks on all gun show and Internet sales.”

He must be talking about private sales at gun shows and private sale through the internet.

In Texas, if you buy a gun from a company, not a private individual, at a gun show, you get a background check right then.

A few months ago, I bought a Ruger 22 LR over the internet from Kentucky Gun Company and it had to be sent to a dealer here so a background check on me could be done.


10 posted on 04/14/2013 12:20:46 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Kaslin

I wonder what the definition of a gunshow is in the legislation.


11 posted on 04/14/2013 12:21:31 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Kaslin
There is really only ONE fact you need to know. Obama, Bloomturd, and the Brady bunch have blessed this bill.

There are many bad things in this bill but the most dangerous is based on analysis I've seen from both the Heritage and Gun Owners of America. Basically there is vague wording in the bill that would seem to allow the Attorney General great latitude in the maintenance of records thus leading to a central registry given that they are going to have more data on all of us. Remember also, that we are dealing with a lawless Attorney General and justice department that violates federal law pretty frequently.

Even now NICS insta-check records that are supposed to be destroyed are being kept and backed up. GOA has reported numerous cases of ATF agents copying the 4473 forms during periodic FFL inspections.

This could have been stopped last week but it wasn't thanks to the traitorous Republicans that sold us out. The strategy will be to pass the so called compromise and not pass the AWB and other amendments showing how wonderful a bipartisan, “common sense” compromise is. Given the asshole Speakers of the House comments already on this bill, it might get through there too with the help of democrats and establishment republicans loyal to Boehner.

A registry is what the left has always wanted. They are much closer to getting their wish.

13 posted on 04/14/2013 12:37:21 PM PDT by RonboTex (Get off my lawn!!!!!!!!)
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To: Kaslin

What if you post to your brothers and sisters on Facebook or via email that you have a gun for sale or transfer, is that “internet” (requiring a background check).


14 posted on 04/14/2013 2:15:06 PM PDT by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: Kaslin
I must say that I have been against any "universal background check" law, but after actually reading the Toomey amendment, I must say I'm warming up to it.

It provides that you can transfer to family members (including inlaws) without background checks. It allows for the interstate purchase of handguns from FFLs, and it finally closes the FOPA loophole by specifically allowing for overnight stays, stops for fuel or food, and emergency medical attention as part of interstate travel. It also changes the FOPA from being an affirmative defense to prohibiting arrest or detention by state authorities. (This is what New York and New Jersey were doing; arresting people who transported firearms, then forced them to appear in court to assert the FOPA as an affirmative defense.)

Summary of the Toomey amendment here.

Full text here.

15 posted on 04/14/2013 3:04:55 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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Toomey, Manchin, and Coburn have laid a trap for Obama with this bill.

It has a good chance of passage, because it has “Universal Background Checks”. The thing is, it has no way to a registration system, and actually makes it much, much, harder to ever enact one.

Yet, it is a Universal Background Check bill. So... If Obama signs it, he sets back “gun control” about 20 years or more.

If Obama vetos it, he has to explain why he vetoed a bipartisan universal background check bill.

Big, big, trap.


19 posted on 04/14/2013 4:34:20 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Kaslin

Bullshit! it is like telling the Jews that they would be trnsported to the camps by air conditioned trains. any tampering with the Second Amendment should be off limits. And that is exactly what “background checks” are.


20 posted on 04/14/2013 4:39:14 PM PDT by sport
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To: Kaslin

The ACLU isn’t for gun control?


22 posted on 04/15/2013 12:15:18 AM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: sickoflibs

wow...even *our* side of the media is trippin over themselves to endorse this compromise crappage...


24 posted on 04/15/2013 4:21:49 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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