Posted on 04/16/2013 11:58:21 AM PDT by neverdem
NO. Don't tell me what I can and can't do. Oh, you speak for God, I forgot.
“Oh, you speak for God, I forgot.”
No, but I at least try to not twist things in scripture to suit my purposes. You don’t even try...and if you call what you have done trying...then you are lying.
“...be subject to governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and tose that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed....” Romans 13:1-2
Pretty clear directive that doesn’t require further commentary by me. You cannot say the same of what you misquote to support Godless libertarian viewpoints...as Godless as the liberal left and just as dangerous.
You are as dense and condescending as they come. Go back and read my posts for once.
- I hold the Bible to be the word of God.
- I hold that there is a form of government that conforms to Biblical doctrines.
- I hold that our form of government, as envisioned by our founders, is as close as man has come to establishing God’s desired way to manage society in a fallen world - before He comes back to establish His New Jerusalem.
Is that clear enough? Not Godless! Not anarchy!
I also hold that if you believe the structure of the United States is:
- God grants authority to Government
- Government grants authority to Individuals
Then, you are as un-American as any communist!
The following (I’ll try one last time) is basic history and civics 101. But, you lack any concept of history and keep falsely accusing me of perpetuating some Godless anarchy and rejecting the bible.
Read the Declaration and Constitution. We are a Biblical-based Constitutional REPUBLIC based on the Biblical concept of Natural Rights. Not a Democracy. Not a Socialist / Communist / Royal / Dictator led utopia, or any other form of oppressive, Godless rule that you so stridently maintain is better than nothing:
“ Any government, how poor it may be, is better than no government”
All of our founders were well versed in the concept of God’s Natural Rights, putting in place a system where it is clearly understood that:
- God grants Natural Rights to Individuals
- Individuals grant LIMITED AUTHORITY - to a government that is subservient, subordinated, and specifically bounded by the rule of Natural Law, not the whims of either the majority, minority, or a single king / dictator.
Our form of government is only legitimate when administering very specific duties, which are relegated to a small subset of Natural Rights that are granted to each individual by God – then delegated in the proper manner to government - subordinated and accountable to citizens.An individual does not have the right to steal from his neighbor and therefore, the government cannot steal, even if a majority votes to steal. An individual does not have the right to tell a person what to believe or say and neither does government. An individual HAS THE RIGHT to due process, so the government DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to take away due process from the least in society (i.e. abortion by law or defacto law from the court system). An individual has the right to protect himself and his family. Therefore, that right CAN be delegated to the government in a limited fashion, but it does not eliminate or restrict the individual’s right to protect themselves or family.
You have some kind of gall telling me not to quote scriptures and accusing me of lying about them. Your true colors could not be more evident. People like you are the reason I strongly argue for a restricted power base of one group of men over another (government, church, doesn’t matter). History is filled with grotesques abuses over the entire history of mankind, but exceptionally few bright spots.
I can easily imagine you being one of the persecutors detailed in Fox’s Book of Martyrs who put to death Christian’s who would not bow down to your version of religious traditions - mandated by supposed “holy” men - used to subjugate the masses and maintain, for greedy purposes, the power over men’s soul.
“You are as dense and condescending as they come. Go back and read my posts for once.”
You are a “scripturally” obtuse and babbling fool in regards to scripture. Why would I want to waste ANY time reading beyond your opening statements? If your statements are not Biblically based....you are not of interest to me.
Until I get a CLEAR acknowledgement from you that Romans 13:1-7 is absolutely true (and like scriptures)...then we cannot proceed. We have no common frame of reference. With you, because you call yourself “born again”, I will only discuss political matters in light of scripture.
BTW - No one, at this point, is reading what either of us are writing.
As I have said repeatedly, which you ignore because you believe Government is your God, versus God's Natural Law:
I hold the Bible to be the word of God
- I hold the Bible to be the word of God.
- I hold that there is a form of government that conforms to Biblical doctrines.
- I hold that our form of government, as envisioned by our founders, is as close as man has come to establishing God’s desired way to manage society in a fallen world - before He comes back to establish His New Jerusalem.
I’ve changed my tagline based on your absurd rhetoric.
I chose to walk away peaceably, and apologize for causing unnecessary conflict. The Lord Jesus Christ is not glorified by our engaging in name calling. It is time to stop it. Since, I believe, I started it, I will stop it.
God bless...!
“God bless...!”
Same to you, and again I am sorry. God is pleased (and Glorified) with harmony among brothers!
I just wished I could learn to be clearer and less ascerbic in my communication....and less prone to be wrongly mean. It serves no purpose, and just hurts good persons...and damages me inside as well.
You are gracious, and it is appreciated! Again, may our Lord Jesus richly bless you.
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