You claim government skeptics want to eliminate ALL government and live in anarchy:
"I am against the libertine approach that all government must go. That is anarchy, that is not God approved."You keep making that red herring statement and it's unmitigated BS. Then you say that you're attacked for saying ALL government is good:
"I NEVER said that all government is “benevolent.”More BS. Post the quote where you were accused of this and prove me wrong.
I argue that government is run by sinners and they have an ever growing desire for power, which is disconnected from accountability and infringes on our freedoms - including speech and religious (public schools are a good example). If you are a Christian, you should be VERY worried about government control of every aspect of our lives. Cradle to grave control of :
our health care, retirement, how we educate our children and with what content, ownership of private property, how we protect our families... and a long list of significant infringements.This invariably leads to government's definition of morality (pay your fair share, allow invasion of privacy, dictate associations, control public discourse, etc.). History shows that you, as a Christian, will be on the wrong side of that power trip.
Give me a time in history where MORE, NOT different government, makes society better. Germany, China, Russia, Japan in the 20th century...? Or in past centuries - England, France, Rome, Israel under a King or the Pharisees and Sadducees...? Name ONE TIME. Just ONE!
America was founded on LIMITED government based on Natural Rights.
Please, educate yourself on history and the Bible so that you quit defending the very serious problem of ever growing infringements on our God given liberties!
“I argue that government is run by sinners and they have an ever growing desire for power, which is disconnected from accountability and infringes on our freedoms - including speech and religious (public schools are a good example). If you are a Christian, you should be VERY worried about government control of every aspect of our lives.”
Yes, government (as all human institutions) is run by sinners. Do you think Paul didn’t realize that when GOD inspired and DIRECTED him to write Romans 13:1-7 “there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God...”????? God has chosen to use us flawed humans. BTW - Paul wrote that during the oppressive Roman Empire!
Now, do I worry about persons or interests in government perverting things for wrong? MOST CERTAINLY! However, I fear not only the left wing God haters, but the lawless Libertarians that do not believe in moral restraints in civilization. Both produce things I “fear.”
So, I fear both sides. Those that would produce a left wing anti-Christian oppressive climate and the extreme libertarians that would not let sexual immorality or illicit drugs be suppressed and let “everyman do what is right in his own eyes.” I.E. The supreme court should have never struck down anti-sodomy laws....except that anti-fornication and anti-adultery laws had already. I will never go along with anarchy....especially moral anarchy.
Whatever, you and I have no further basis for discussion until you acknowledge that the BIBLE is GOD inspired/directed and HE has established human government to suppress evil and encourage good. Until then, we have no basis for further discussion about how a government should be constituted. We have no frame of reference or common authority to appeal to for the basis of statements. Until you acknowledge that...without reservation or disclaimers. Otherwise, write me off as a religious fanatic (or whatever you may think) and leave me alone.
BTW - Please stop quoting scripture....it is obvious you take it totally out of context and don’t remotely grasp its meaning....or worse intentionally pervert it.