Skip to comments.R.I.P, Boy Scouts of America
Posted on 05/27/2013 7:51:13 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? (Mark 8:36)
Its a sad day for both Scouting and for freedom. Indeed, its a sad day for America. The century-old Boy Scouts of America (BSA) created in 1910 to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes has betrayed its own constituency, mission, oath and law.
Last Thursday, approximately 1,400 adult BSA delegates from around the country gathered in Texas and decided, in a disgracefully lopsided vote, to welcome into its ranks, open and avowed homosexuality (boy-on-boy sexual attraction and behavior), thereby disavowing the morally straight Scout Oath its members are sworn to uphold.
They voted unwisely.
History will reflect that on this day the BSA turned from morally straight to immorally bent that this once great organization founded on honor, reverence and biblical morality was crushed beneath the worldly weight of pagan idolatry.
Whereas, for over a century, millions of boys have raised their right hands, swearing on my honor to do my duty to God and my country on this day, hundreds of adult delegates likewise raised their right hands, shook their fists at God and flipped their middle fingers at both the boys they serve and the parents who trusted them.
While endeavoring to gain the world, this once honorable institution has forfeited its soul.
Scripture admonishes: The wages of sin is death. (Rom. 6:23). This was a catastrophic miscalculation. It was sin, and, tragically, through this sin, the BSA has now effectively sealed its own fate. It has set into motion its own demise.
Even by its own estimates, BSA leadership admits that the decision will likely result in a mass exodus from Scouting. They anticipate that as many as 400,000 Scouts and Scouters will leave the organization (acceptable casualties in the war on morality, I guess). Still, as devastating as this number is, it too represents a gross miscalculation.
Consider, for instance, that when Canadas version of the Boy Scouts voted in 1998 to welcome open homosexuality, its membership rolls plummeted by over half in just five years, forcing camp closures, staff layoffs and huge budget cuts. Looking north of the border for clues, then, we can expect that, with current membership at around 2.6 million, its more likely that roughly 1.5 million Boy Scouts and troop masters will walk.
Then again, were talking about progressive Canada. This is the good ol USA. With over 61 percent of Scouts, Scouters and parents opposing the homosexualization of Boy Scouts, and over 70 percent of U.S. Scout groups sponsored by churches and religious organizations, its not unreasonable to expect that defections will even exceed this estimate.
In short, BSAs betrayal may well result in near-total ruin. The wages of sin is death.
Heres the reality: Reality has not changed. Objective truth did not suddenly and miraculously reverse itself on May 23, 2013. As BSA has always acknowledged (until Thursday), homosexual behavior remains empirically disordered and immoral. The only thing that has changed is politics.
Ultimately, this decision had nothing to do with tolerance or inclusivity. Neither did it concern the best interests of the boys who make up Boy Scouting. Instead, this decision was rooted in pure evil. It had everything to do with money. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs (1 Timothy 6:10).
And wandered from the faith they have.
Now come the many griefs.
Really, three things drove this decision: Fear, greed and politics. A number of high-dollar corporate donors threatened to pull funding from BSA if they maintained the existing policy on sexual morality. Additionally, a number of extremist pressure groups, aided by a sympathetic left-wing media, brought tremendous pressure to bear.
But the pressures not going away. The BSA made a critical error in judgment. It showed weakness. This has only whipped these radicals into a heightened frenzy. Within moments of the gay announcement, Nancy Pelosi called the move an important first step. The Human Rights Campaign demanded the new policy doesnt go far enough, and Mother Jones, a liberal online publication, posted an article titled, Boy Scouts: You Can Be Gay Until Youre 18.
Sin is never satisfied. The homofascist thirst for absolute affirmation is unquenchable.
Whats the next step? Activists now demand that adult men who desire sex with other males (gay scout masters) be allowed to take your sons camping overnight. Soon theyll be insisting that transgender boys (girls who wish they were boys) be allowed to join as well.
What a camping trip. Imagine the pup tent. Your son and Jimmy whos got a crush on him along with Billy and Billys boyfriend Bobby, all snuggly warm in the middle of nowhere. But make room for Sammy (formerly Suzie) and Sammys boyfriend Gary (formerly Gertrude).
Dont forget to hang the disco ball.
And always be prepared.
You think there wont be new membership stagnation? Who wants to sign their boy up for the Gay Scouts? Whats a kid gotta to do to earn his tolerance badge? Parents, you might want to get out while the gettins good. As one Eagle Scout told me, Im not leaving the Boy Scouts, the Boy Scouts left me.
Its only a matter of time until BSA caves on these demands as well. Theyll admit gay men and girls soon. They have no choice. Now that theyve opened the door, theyve waived the only legal defense they once had: religious and moral conviction.
But heres the good news. I and dozens more will be convening for a coalition meeting of pro-family leaders next month in Louisville, Ky., to discuss the creation of a moral alternative to the Boy Scouts. Nature abhors a vacuum. We intend to fill it.
Still, until then, please join me as we mourn the loss of this once honorable organization. The Boy Scouts of America: Born Feb. 8, 1910 Died May 23, 2013.
May it rest in peace.
It is the end of BSA for sure. There is no one in my family who will ever go near the BSA again and I am sure there are many others who feel the same way.
That’s the position my family is in. One son is working on his Eagle project, the other, if he pushes it can be done in a year. I’m Scoutmaster to a newer troop of younger boys and I suspect we’ll wrap it up and join an alternative organization.
Is there any one in your family now in scouts or has been ever?
The really sick thing about this is that the Gay Mafia doesn’t really care at all about the BSA, they just want to punish it. The irony is that they have hurt themselves and their desire to be accepted more than anything by totally jumping the shark with this move.
It’s a very big picture issue.
The girl Scouts wimped out 20 years ago when they joined with Planned Parenthood.
be in any way a good organization as such, and so they are not. They can give it up or die a slow death, but teaching girls to be women cannot include teaching them to hate motherhood.
As for the BSA, the organization was formed to be a flagship for formation of boys. Teaching them to not ave respect for chastity is completely counter to that and it is, the lack of chastity in men and boys, probably the largest contributing factor in what is wrong with our failing culture.
the BSA takeover is simply meant to discourage and demoralize.
The arguments and logical wrestling of how can this be reconciled are merely ways to minimize and trivialize this horrific situation.
the only moral wrestling to be done is how can former boy scouts allow this. Are they wimpy or morally challenged, wanting to keep their right to be unchaste.
But the bombardment of the image of the homosexual act on our children is an offense that cries out to god for a response.
The French have it right. Where are the men on this?
GLAAD Pushes Boy Scouts to Now Lift Ban on Openly Gay Leaders, Volunteers
Members of GLAAD, a nonprofit organization that promotes LGBT advocacy, was at the Boy Scouts of America’s headquarters in Irving, Texas, on Friday one day after the BSA’s national council voted to allow openly gay membership to advocate for additional policy changes acceptable to the gay community.
One cold night, as an Arab sat in his tent, a camel gently thrust his nose under the flap and looked in. “Master,” he said, “let me put my nose in your tent. It’s cold and stormy out here.” “By all means,” said the Arab, “and welcome” as he turned over and went to sleep.
A little later the Arab awoke to find that the camel had not only put his nose in the tent but his head and neck also. The camel, who had been turning his head from side to side, said, “I will take but little more room if I place my forelegs within the tent. It is difficult standing out here.” “Yes, you may put your forelegs within,” said the Arab, moving a little to make room, for the tent was small.
Finally, the camel said, “May I not stand wholly inside? I keep the tent open by standing as I do.” “Yes, yes,” said the Arab. “Come wholly inside. Perhaps it will be better for both of us.” So the camel crowded in. The Arab with difficulty in the crowded quarters again went to sleep. When he woke up the next time, he was outside in the cold and the camel had the tent to himself.
Then, tha Arab killed the camel and ate it
God is capitalized.
Pope Benedict XVI once suggested that every Catholic religious order should cease to exist after 100 years because it was inevitable that they would all lose contact with their real mission. I think the same can be said for any organization, and 100 years may be too long for some of them.
I'd suggest that any non-profit organization like the BSA whose leadership exists at anything higher than a county level is probably too large and shouldn't be in business.
RE: Then, tha Arab killed the camel and ate it
How’s he going to get through the desert after that? :)
[[Its a sad day for both Scouting and for freedom.]]
It’s not so sad for freedom just yet- IF enough boyscouts and their parents andf busiensses desert the BSA and begi ntheir own organization which bars ALL immoral activity and has an oath that all scouts must sign promissing to abstain from ALL immoral activities or be banned for violating hte oath for breakign hteir sworn word to God-
But, that’s only IF those i nthe scouts still want freedom- There are enough financial supporters who will willingly abandon the BSA and support a new moral organization that htis could cripple the BSA (and the ensuing lawsuits agaisnt the BSA will further cripple them as kids are raped by the gay scouts in the now corrupt BSA organization) Whiel hte New Scouts will thrive and stand strong
And to that I would add the rubric: God. And specifically God as revealed to the world through Judaism and Christianity.
[[I local sheriff where I live is cancelling their charter in our area due to this decision being a violation of state laws regarding sodomy.]]
Wow- that’s cool- Some good news at last- Hopefully your community will quickly establish a new moral organization for hte kids though-
I just read on another thread the vote was 61%-39%.
Spell check and proof reading is your friend.
Good point. I would also tag the very important word “service” on the end.
As long as the right entity is being served in the right spirit.
[[THis is a hugely demoralizing move in our country.]]
It doesn’t have to be- it can be a HUGE victory for morality IF the parents and churches and businesses that object will pull their kids and finacial support immediately, and begin a newm oral organization that permanently bans imorality of ALL kinds and makes everyone swear an oatrh before God to uphold thsoe principles-
The BSA has broken their OATH before God- this is no small matter- peopel think it doesn’t really matter anyl ogner if someoen breaks their oath to God- but it sure does matter and it sure is still a big deal- as the BSA will soon find out as they self destruct and fall into obscurity as just aqnother FAILED attempt by nambla to destroy morality in America- nambla can only succeed IF parents and busiensses and scouts do nothing and don’t send a loud and clear message that their morality and principles are NOT to be messed with
[[The homosexuals will now have their own homosexual boys organization, without having to finance it.]]
They are goign to lose a lot of finacial support- busiensses and churches WILL pull their support- soem wil lremain- but they won’t be enough to keep the now corrupt BSA afloat finacially for long-
Well, I don’t think they’ve gone in YET for telling “gay Scouts” that they can monkey around together in their pup tents. But the pressure will be difficult to resist. If BSA tries to say oh that’s wrong, they will get mobbed now by the usual screaming sisters as intolerant. Satan’s camel now has not just a nose but most of its body in the tent.
What if families took the BSA back?
Why should they lose?
More than just moral, folks... SPIRITUAL
Sin is never satisfied. What a great line.
“If BSA tries to say oh thats wrong, they will get mobbed now”
Well, in that case, they should certainly give in.
But, as in all fights, the guy who gives in, exposing the rest of the group to the victor’s disgusting behavior, the appeaser is the appeaser.
Amen to every word of that post. You’ve really put your finger on the core of the problem.
Bingo. Once this happens, an organization must do the bidding of its donors and sublimate its own values.
Gay militants have no kids and many in that establishment are prominent in business have a ton of money, so forget that angle.
Stephen Spielberg came out against the BSA and pulled his financial support for their not getting involved in this.
The BSA should admit they don’t need money and they should only allow donations from former members.
they need to give up on needing financial support, and if this was the case, and not enormous corrupt gov’t forces put on then they get what the greedy in this world deserve.
“Next step for the BSA will be to allow gay scout leaders.”
[[What if families took the BSA back?]]
That woudl be the ultimate preferrable course of action IF it can happen- I certainly hope it can- I personally however think that it ‘mihgt be’ a bigger victory for morlaity if peopel can see just how militant and hateful the gay commmunity is for havign crushed the one good thing that kids had these days- and thep ublic might draw strength seeign hte beta up old scouts rise ocne again to a new, strogner moral organization- of course the same coudl be seen IF the scotus can take back their organization,
I wish they could regain the scouts- but we might have to face the fact that it may not be possible-
As others have said, there is so much that isn't known about the details of the voting. I wonder if the BSA officials who caved got any assurance from the strong-arming corporate donors that they'd cease their strong-arming after gay scout members only are accepted?
I have a few loose ends to tie up, and then I will be done with the BSA for good.
Very painful—My involvement with Scouting started in 1962 when I was seven years old, and I’ve been associated with the organization since that time. I made Eagle, as did both of my sons.
My only intent was to inform some people who might not be aware that the royalties from "God Bless America" go the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts.
Why do some people have to read more into something than is written. You make me sick!!!!
“What if families took the BSA back?
Why should they lose?”
This old scoutmaster has too many years in, what used to be a great organization, to pack it all in without a fight. Not in my troop is my standard. I will make the BSA force me out. The BSA gets $16.00 / boy for registration and insurance. I know it costs more than that to operate. I will do my best to reverse this from within, or at least put up one hell of a fight.
I was a Scout in the 1980s and 90s and I agree with what you said. I really do not know why they would do this. They are doing tremendous damage and they just don’t care.
In the end it all came down to idolatry of money.
Nothing else had anything to do with anything. The simple scum in charge of the BSA were corrupted by the money. After that, it was all internal politics and spin.
Congratulations to them. They'll get their dirty money, from people and corporations and "charities" who already folded like cheap suits to the malignant forces of decadence and political correctness.
RE: You make me sick!!!!
The feeling is mutual. I ASKED A QUESTION, Which you could have simply answered with a yes or no.
If I read more than what was written, I would not have asked a question, I would have made a statement. Stop reading into my motives.
I don’t know if i’ll be condemned for this or not, but it bears speaking: I am an Eagle Scout, and a volunteer in scouting; i intend to remain in the BSA as a volunteer, because i believe there is still hope for Boy Scouts. Anyone who was a scout probably knows someone in scouting that isn’t there just for merit badges and camaraderie, if you know what i mean. I knew a few like that, and while they weren’t completely open about it, the other boys also knew. This decision doesn’t change anything really; Because National has upheld the ban on gay leadership, as well as the clause that states that any sexual activity by youth is immoral, all it does is allow every boy an opportunity to learn important skills. This decision is fair from an endorsement of homosexuality, and i don’t think you’ll be seeing any “diversity training” in scouting any time soon. Instead of backing down and running towards something else, i say “retreat hell!” I’ll remain a volunteer, and have a voice in what scouting is and does for its boys. I will also fight the corruption that many will attempt to bring to scouting, as it seems is likely to come in the following years. God Bless all!
Stop reading into my "sayings!" The fact that you raised the question is proof you read more into what was written! Ridiculous!
RE: Stop reading into my “sayings!” The fact that you raised the question is proof you read more into what was written! Ridiculous!
Again, I ASKED A QUESTION, I did not make a statement. A question is a desire for clarification, not an attempt to read into anything.
YOU are being ridiculous, not me.
I applaud your determination but the BSA has already shown is has no backbone. Quickly, they will be allowing homo’s to be scout leaders. My children are grown but I will strongly discourage my grandson from joining BSA because I don’t believe it is salvagable or worthy of my grandsons.
Just like I didn't give a thought to "gays" when I posted about him giving the royalties to the Scouts. I just think it's interesting.
Were you aware that the royalties to "God Bless America" from the first time it was sung by Kate Smith, have gone to the Scouts?
FWIW, I don't spend much time thinking about "gays." I also don't think that "gays" are responsible for for the moral decay of our society. I think heteros have contributed more than our fair share to that!
Who first made a mockery of marriage?
6/26/2003 In Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, the SCOTUS in a 6-3 ruling struck down the sodomy law in TX and, by extension, invalidated laws against sodomy in 13 states making homosexual activity legal in every U.S. state and territory.
I found the letter below reprinted in The Pink Swastika.
NOV 1992 NAMBLA sent a letter to BSA Chief Scout Executive Ben Love in which NAMBLA predicted that BSA would eventually succumb to homosexual demands. The letter was also published in the NOV, 1992 NAMBLA Bulletin.
Dear Mr. Love, (Chief Scout Executive, BSA)
At its 16th membership conference, held in Chicago, August 7-9-1992, the North American Man/Boy Love Association unanimously adopted the following resolution:
NAMBLA calls on the Boy Scouts of America to cease its discrimination against openly gay or lesbian persons in the appointment of its scout masters. This will permit scouts to be exposed to a variety of lifestyles and will permit more of those individuals who genuinely wish to serve boys to do so.
I feel especially honored to have been asked to alert you of this resolution. I have also been a scout and a scout leader and share with so many in NAMBLA affection for the movement.
We recognize, of course, that the action for which we call is inevitable. What a great added contribution your organization will make possible to all the boys and girls who participate in it when you take this step. May it be taken in the near future.
We share a common mission to bring greater understanding and light and purpose to the young as they grow. We invite you to join with us in cherishing individual integrity, and in seeking the opportunity for every boy and girl in our country to find their own truth. We encourage you to help every person associated with your organization to be able to express those values from themselves which to them represent for themselves the Good, the True, and the Beautiful. As we work together toward these ends Light will guide our way.
We express these sentiments most respectfully,
Co-Recording Secretary, NAMBLA
The only way we are going to learn anything of the details of the vote is if someone on the National Executive Board or 1 of the 1,400 voting delegates who were there decides to leak it. So far, that hasn't happened. The number of voting delegates has long been established policy within BSA. The delegates come everyone of BSA's ~294 local councils.
Remember the 11-man panel that was secretly selected by BSA National 3 years ago to make a decision on this very issue? Many of the homosexualists within BSA complained bitterly that they did not know who they were, how they were selected, or have input into their committee.
7/17/2012 BSA spokesman Deron Smith announced that after a 2-year study, an 11-member special committee returned a unanimous decision that BSA should retain its current membership policy excluding open homosexuals and atheists. The committee had been formed discreetly by top BSA leaders in 2010 and consisted of professional scout executives and adult volunteers. Many veteran volunteer scouters bitterly complained of the lack of transparency in how this committee was selected and operated.
And we all thought it was settled. Next thing we know ...
1/28/2013 Six months after announcing that BSA would retain its exclusive membership policy, BSA spokesman Deron Smith announced that the BSA National Executive Board (~ 72 members) was prepared to vote on the local option resolution at its next business meeting on 2/06/2013.
That created a firestorm ...
2/06/2013 BSA spokesman Deron Smith announced that the NEB postponed its vote on the local option at todays NEB business meeting. He also said it would be brought before the entire National Council voting membership for a vote at the next annual national council business meeting over May 22-24 at the Gaylord Texan Hotel, in Grapevine, TX.
As Paul Harvey would say, "Here is the rest of the story."
The God Bless America Fund has withheld a donation because of gay ban.
The Greater New York Councils, Boy Scouts of America has lost a long-time supporter because of its national organization's ban on gay youth and leaders.
The God Bless America Fund, which controls the royalties of its famous namesake song, withheld funds in December because it did not receive adequate assurances from the NYC Boy Scouts' leadership that it was not discriminating against gay scouts or leaders. The fund generates between $100,000 and $200,000 a year, which is usually split between the NYC Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts of Greater New York.
Bert Fink, a spokesman for the God Bless America Fund, couldn't immediately say how much money was withheld from the NYC Boy Scouts but noted it was in the five-figure range. The NYC Boy Scouts did get a check last June. Mr. Fink said that the fund has always been very concerned about the Boy Scouts of America's ban against gay individuals but was confident the local chapter wasn't discriminating. However, he said that over the summer the NYC Boy Scouts' leaders "couldn't unequivocally say that they do not discriminate," so the fund withheld its donation.
He said the group will reconsider the decision after the outcome of a vote slated for May 23 by the Boy Scouts of America on whether to allow gay scouts. The group would still ban gay leaders.
"We are truly grateful for the generous support of the God Bless America Fund, which has been transformative in our work, enriching the lives of hundreds of thousands of New York City children," said a spokesman for the NYC Boy Scouts, in a statement.
He added that, "The Greater New York Councils, Boy Scouts of America continues to practice non-discrimination here in New York City and strongly believes that both gay adults and youth must be welcomed in scouting. We support the proposed change in policy as a meaningful step in the right direction, and share the God Bless America's Fund's commitment to advocating for total inclusion."
The anti-gay policy has caused numerous donors, including Intel Corp. and UPS, to stop funding the Boy Scouts of America. And even though the NYC Boy Scouts said it doesn't follow the lead of its national organization, its funding has suffered, according to sources. Tax records show that in the five years ended in 2011, donations, grants and membership fees fell 36% to $7.2 million.
But the God Bless America Fund had been a stalwart supporter of the NYC Boy Scouts. Irving Berlin wrote "God Bless America" to boost the country's spirits during WWII but didn't want to take any royalties from it. In 1940, he established the God Bless America Fund and said that royalties should go to support America's youth. Funds were distributed to girl and boy scout troops around the country. However, since the 1990s, the royalties only flowed to the New York City chapters of each organization.
In the 12 months after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the fund generated $800,000, or $400,000 for each group. If the NYC Boy Scouts received at least $50,000 from the fund annually since 1990, plus the $400,000 in 2001, that would total about $1.5 million for the NYC Boy Scouts. Former communist David Horowitz said that all the commies from the 60-70s took the "long march through the institutions" to collapse the republic from within. Horowitz said that over half of the charitable non-profit foundations founded by successful, dead, white, male, capitaltists have had their board of directors undermined from within and take over by the progressives from the 60-70s. This is where so many of the leftist causes find their money - grants.
Actually, it's way PAST time to pull your boys out of the Boy Scouts. These decisions aren't made out of the blue. They are the logical conclusion to a long period of festering liberalization. An organization can't make a rotten decision like this unless its core is already rotten. Not to say that many local units didn't still espouse true scouting values. But the individual units don't make the rules.
I have heard from many former scouts and current scout leaders that the BSA has been tacking left for decades. After all, they've been tolerating many "openly 'geh'" activist scouts for years, and only the most egregiously disruptive ones have been dismissed. None of these would have been tolerated 25 years ago.
There are plenty of camels
To cross the desert, he has a Toyota truck
They don’t give up, do they?
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