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To: servo1969
All of this is irrelevant is it not?

What he said was true or false, on its own merits.

EIther the gubmint is or is not spying on us.

I saw the court order itself, in the Guardian yesterday.

It looked real to me. (not that that is worth anything). Court Order

Judging by the reaction, I'd have to say it's more true than not.

26 posted on 06/12/2013 2:13:21 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
EIther the gubmint is or is not spying on us.

I read on FR today that the US Govt has no plans to end surveillance program. That answers that question.

40 posted on 06/12/2013 2:18:05 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Thanx for the link to the original source. That is what makes the 'net extremely useful.

It's interesting that the FBI (H0lder) initiated the request.

59 posted on 06/12/2013 2:24:45 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Izzy Dunne

Look over here! Look over here! The guy didn’t graduate from high school! He can’t grow a beard! He has bad breath. George Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction! Oh, wait. Different argument.

It is so sad to see the personal attacks on this man. I didn’t know taking an oath meant you have to keep criminal actions by the government against it’s citizens secret. Paul Revere would be crucified by some on this site.


76 posted on 06/12/2013 2:34:59 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Izzy Dunne

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/06/verizon-telephone-data-court-order

Top of page 2, fourth line, item (ii)—this is what is illegal, harvesting all DOMESTIC telephony records without cause.

The judge should never have signed off on this order.

While this warrant is for 4/25/13 to 7/19/13, similar warrants have been renewed every three months since 2007.

FISA warrants were to cover communications that either originated overseas and terminated in the USA, or vice versa, but not for entirely domestic communications.

I’m glad Snowden blew the whistle.

If the IRS could hammer Obama’s political opponents over their political views, why would anyone expect that this type of surveillance would NOT be used in the same way.

Operation “Main Core” anyone?


81 posted on 06/12/2013 2:40:05 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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