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To: jurroppi1

apparantly the FISA Court “bulk data” Warrants are what Bush, Obama and the NSA think cover the 4th Amendment requirements; with the FISA court on the judiciary side making a judicial agreement that “reasonable” and “probable cause” are satisfied and sufficent for issuing their Warrant

http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-surveillance-architecture-includes-collection-of-revealing-internet-phone-metadata/2013/06/15/e9bf004a-d511-11e2-b05f-3ea3f0e7bb5a_print.html

if that’s the case, we need to legislate new requirements for the FISA court


162 posted on 06/16/2013 9:15:39 AM PDT by Wuli (qu)
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To: Wuli

The problem here is that we know they aren’t just gathering logs and metadata, they have admitted that they have been, are still now, and at any time can listen to anyone’s telephone conversations on a whim, with impunity. There are supposedly at least 5 million people they do this to on a regular basis.

Under Bush, supposedly the only calls that were wiretapped “warrantlessly” were international calls - calls that were to/from or within terrorist supporting nations (that could still be pretty massive), but at least they (again supposedly) weren’t violating American’s rights. Still a bitter pill, and to some extent a double-standard if you are a purist about privacy rights being everyone’s right and not just American’s rights.

I’ll take a look at the link you posted in more detail, since I have heard some things about the allegations therein, but admittedly don’t know all of the details.


168 posted on 06/16/2013 12:57:55 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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