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To: Jim Robinson
FUMR!! TRAITOR!!

Ok, let me explain what is happening. The democrats are pushing immigration reform. The demoncrats are trying to push the gop into a position where, immigration reform passes which is a loser for the gop or the gop stops immigration reform which loses the hispanic vote which also is a loser for the gop.

The gop sees what the demoncrats are trying to do. Their only path out of the demoncrat box is this. Pretend to want reasonable immigration reform, make the negotiations with the demoncrats long, drawn out, and complicated and eventually have the bill fail somewhere along the line with the blame to be placed on both parties.

So up steps Marco Rubio to try to present a hispanic friendly face with a reasonable republican proposal and to negotiate with the democrats in good faith but with a bill that will eventually fail along the way.

I think MR and the gop is in a pretty tough position on this one but I think MR and the gop are doing a pretty good job of executing the game plan..

And I will add that I think your knee jerk, hyperbolic, rhetoric to be not helpful. It is straight forward and simple minded when in politics nothing is simple or straight forward.

Most people are familiar with office politics where innuendo, manipulation, lying, backstabbing and false rumors reign supreme.

IT IS THE SAME WITH NATIONAL POLITICS ONLY MUCH MUCH WORSE.

Oh and for you Palin fans, she is out of her league when trying to play this game.

34 posted on 06/24/2013 4:33:12 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

I might tend to agree with you to a great extent but I’m not Jim. There is also a new wind which needs to blow which needs to tell the people the truth as is thought by that individual. I am not that individual but think Sarah too has been telling a truth and truths. I compliment you for speaking your mind and say Thanks.


36 posted on 06/24/2013 5:06:20 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: staytrue
And I will add that I think your knee jerk, hyperbolic, rhetoric to be not helpful. It is straight forward and simple minded when in politics nothing is simple or straight forward.

You know what? I don't care if this is some sort of Game.

I find it disgusting that the opposition says what they want, and they do it, whether it is Constitutional or not, right or wrong (mostly wrong), and they do it without apology while the allegedly conservative(-ish) fraction of the Congress doesn't have the balls to stand up for what is right and Constitutional.

I used to think Obama's supposed 45% support was a lie, but not any more---because the people he benefits with his illegal crap know he is standing up for them (even though it will hurt them in the end).

Why in the Hell can't our people simply go out there, all games aside, and just say "NO, this isn't right, it isn't going to solve anything, it's going to cost more than we could ever afford, and it is the wrong thing to do.", instead of sugarcoat it for the masses, suck up to the opposition, and twist their own heads off trying to kiss every ass on the planet?

What is so awful about just being right and standing on principle?

Does anyone think the Hispanics legally here (often, their families for a couple of hundred years) are in favor of shake-and-baking hordes of criminal invaders--people they are going to get lumped in with? Really? In a culture where "being a man" is important, still, the GOP wusses out? Or even gives the impression of it?

The STUPID Party is right.

No wonder the Democrats treat the GOP with contempt.

Frankly, most alleged Conservatives have spent so much time trying to be nice, they've fallen into the same trap. Call a spade a spade, and quit compromising our country away.

40 posted on 06/24/2013 5:55:41 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: staytrue; Jim Robinson
IT IS THE SAME WITH NATIONAL POLITICS ONLY MUCH MUCH WORSE.

Your entire post is nothing but GOP-e pablum. You are trying to weave a laughable line of reasoning that tries to justify what is plain reality in front of us.

You have not understanding of the power and the march of the Statist of both parties.

Oh and for you Palin fans, she is out of her league when trying to play this game.

What a disgusting statement. I suggest you read the reality of Sarah's 18 years in public service. She took on entrenched elitists of both parties in her state and soundly defeated them.

Sarah sees clearly the evil of crony capitalism and the power-hungry Statists of both parties.

It doesn't take a nuanced genius to weave a solution -- as your dumb post implies.

No, it takes a leader that will rally the people to elect politicians who will dismantle the unconstitutional parts of the Federal leviathan.

Sarah out of her league?? What Founder would even consider a 1200 page bill worthy of even a glance? NONE. Sarah has the Founders love of Liberty in her DNA. You can go hang out with your arrogant elitist friends who are destroying our Republic.

90 posted on 06/24/2013 10:08:51 AM PDT by sand88
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