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To: SomeCallMeTim
TM was never scared...He didn't like someone watching him. A little paranoid but goes with his lifestyle.

And GZ wouldn't have been watching him except "TM" was what I call....."out of Order"....looked like he was scoping things out instead of just walking along at a steady pace.

Here's what I don't get....GZ was in his truck making a call to the "hotline" (not 911). He was no longer following TM. Why did TM come back and circle GZ's truck instead of just going home. Just checking to make sure GZ wasn't built like Shaq?

Wish we could nail the exact time of the phone calls. Both should have been on the phone at that time but I don't think so.

And do we know who called who on the Tray calls??

1,504 posted on 07/01/2013 6:31:00 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau; Uncle Chip

Chip posted an excellent timeline of all the calls last week. Maybe we need a re run !


1,521 posted on 07/01/2013 6:47:36 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: Sacajaweau
Here's what I don't get....GZ was in his truck making a call to the "hotline" (not 911). He was no longer following TM. Why did TM come back and circle GZ's truck instead of just going home. Just checking to make sure GZ wasn't built like Shaq?

If it happened to me, with the benefit of hindsight, I might presume that the other person is attempting to demonstrate his dominance and trying to 'mark his territory':

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... in the hope that I would be intimidated and go away.

If I were a neighborhood watch officer, this would put me on high alert. I would call the police and report the individual. I would try to assist the police in getting them to the scene as soon as reasonably possible by identifying the location. If I did not know the location, then I would consider it within my rights to get out of my car to try to find a street sign identifying the location.

T walking around the car is very suspicious but does not imply an imminent threat, though it does tend to indicate an attitude of belligerence.

I probably would have called 911 if the person seemed capable of overcoming me physically and had tapped on my car or tried to open it. I also would have called 911 if the person had made any belligerent verbal threats to me.

Admittedly this is a fine line, and I think there is some leeway on either side as to what the most appropriate thing to do would be. There is not always one right answer for what to do for every possible situation. In particular, if I were female with a relatively small physique, I would probably have felt more threatened and I would conceivably have dialed 911 immediately. However, the problem remains how to tell the police where I am. The police will require an address. If I do not provide an address, the police will not be able to locate me and arrive to help.

As I am a neighborhood watch officer, I do not at this time know all the streets in my neighborhood by heart. A part of my brain resists memorizing unneeded detail due to the rationalization that this is what street signs and maps are for. I do not think a person should be judged guilty simply because they rationalized that they would not need to be able to recall street names instantly. I do not associate guilt with having problems memorizing place names, even nearby place names. I believe anyone who does has unrealistic expectations.

Back to M, I think he was very emotionally troubled. M's father was bouncing him from home to home and had recently dumped the mother figure in his life for someone else. M might have felt a burden on his father's new girlfriend. Or M might have felt a need to overcompensate for his lack of feeling at home in the neighborhood. M might have resented his father and the rest of the world for some or all of these reasons. M might have resented his new family. It seems as if M did not have a key to the apartment. Was he aware that the girlfriend's son was not at home, so he was locked out in the rain? That would have pissed me off if I had been M. If M was under treatment for ADHD, aggression is a side effect of medical treatment for that problem. Maybe M thought Z was a threat to his masculinity and that he needed to overcompensate for that in an emotionally immature manner by circling M's car to demonstrate to Z with a show of force that M did not welcome Z in 'his' (M's) 'territory.' Etc.

1,548 posted on 07/01/2013 7:21:48 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Maybe he was,maybe he wasn't. That never mattered to me. It was my wife who was convinced he was...till I showed her the map.
1,717 posted on 07/02/2013 1:03:52 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them f)
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