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After Supreme Court Ruling, States Rush to Enact Voting Laws
New York Times ^ | 07/06/2013 | By MICHAEL COOPER

Posted on 07/07/2013 6:05:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

State officials across the South are aggressively moving ahead with new laws requiring voters to show photo identification at the polls after the Supreme Court decision striking down a portion of the Voting Rights Act.

The Republicans who control state legislatures throughout the region say such laws are needed to prevent voter fraud. But such fraud is extremely rare, and Democrats are concerned that the proposed changes will make it harder for many poor voters and members of minorities — who tend to vote Democratic — to cast their ballots in states that once discriminated against black voters with poll taxes and literacy tests.

The Supreme Court ruling last month freed a number of states with a history of discrimination, mostly in the South, of the requirement to get advance federal permission in order to make changes to their election laws.

Within hours, Texas officials said that they would begin enforcing a strict photo identification requirement for voters, which had been blocked by a federal court on the ground that it would disproportionately affect black and Hispanic voters. In Mississippi and Alabama, which had passed their own voter identification laws but had not received federal approval for them, state officials said that they were moving to begin enforcing the laws.

The next flash point over voting laws will most likely be in North Carolina, where several voting bills had languished there this year as the Republicans who control the Legislature awaited the Supreme Court ruling on the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which had covered many counties in the state. After the ruling, some Republican lawmakers said that they would move as soon as next week to pass a bill requiring voters to present photo identification at the polls.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama; US: Mississippi; US: North Carolina; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: alabama; mississippi; northcarolina; scotus; states; texas; votingrights
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1 posted on 07/07/2013 6:05:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

But such fraud is extremely rare, and Democrats are concerned that the proposed changes will make it harder for many poor voters and members of minorities — who tend to vote Democratic — to cast their ballots in states that once discriminated against black voters with poll taxes and literacy tests.


The bigotry of soft expectations.

And they just can’t bring themselves to say that these changes make ‘Voter Fraud’ even harder to commit.


2 posted on 07/07/2013 6:08:58 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: SeekAndFind

We need someone with the proper skill set to come up with a Voter ID card showing the picture of someone in a grave.


3 posted on 07/07/2013 6:09:13 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: SeekAndFind
People who "can't" vote because of voter I.D. laws don't WANT to vote. It's that simple.

Texas' pro-voter I.D. legislators issued a challenge to the Demonicrats to produce only ONE person who would be prevented from meeting the requirements of the new law. They were unable to.

4 posted on 07/07/2013 6:10:16 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The horror...


5 posted on 07/07/2013 6:11:54 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: SeekAndFind
But such fraud is extremely rare

BULLSTALIN

6 posted on 07/07/2013 6:16:39 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: SeekAndFind
Democrats are concerned that the proposed changes will make it harder for many poor voters and members of minorities — who tend to vote Democratic — to cast their ballots in states that once discriminated against black voters with poll taxes and literacy tests. Those laws were written by Democrats when they controlled the South.
7 posted on 07/07/2013 6:18:12 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: The Working Man
"But such fraud is extremely rare,"

If it's a well executed fraud, who would know?

8 posted on 07/07/2013 6:20:24 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d agree there’s probably more fraud in absentee voting than in polling place, but there’s really no way to tell until the voting registration is “trued” nationwide. Democrats have also targeted college students who are away from home as voters. The colleges assist their party in registering their out-of-state students for local elections. Republicans in state legislatures nationwide should immediately act to define citizen to include those who register to vote in local elections. Then they could lobby the college students to re-register at college as in-state students, robbing the bank accounts of the very colleges that are complicit in democrat GOTV activities on campus.


9 posted on 07/07/2013 6:20:43 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: SeekAndFind

re: “But such fraud is extremely rare, and Democrats are concerned. . .”

Extremely rare??? The Democrat party and voter fraud extremely rare!!?? That’s the MO. They’ve been doing voter fraud as long as they’ve existed as a party.

The voter ID laws won’t stop it, but maybe it will make it a bit harder for them. What a bunch of liars and thieves.


10 posted on 07/07/2013 6:28:58 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: SeekAndFind
States should pass laws that restrict voting to those not on the dole. It makes no sense to allow someone receiving benefits the power to vote to increase those benefits.

Furthermore, the power to vote should be restricted to those who are employed or own a business, and those who pay taxes.

The input of parasites is not needed.

11 posted on 07/07/2013 6:29:29 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know anyone who doesn’t have a photo ID.


12 posted on 07/07/2013 6:38:33 AM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: All
Dems are paranoid----USSC threw a nuclear bomb into their plans to STEAL the 2014 elections......One of he many scams that got Ohaha relected.....Early voting, multiple identity voting scams, the multiple registration voting scams, etc.

A BIG OPPORTUNITY NOW for the item the Dems loathe most----voter ID which effectively curtails serial voting by illegals w/ multiple identities.

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The overlooked secret weapon of Ohaha/2012 was the "early voting" scam in key states....states he won handily which clinched the election. When the Ohio Secy of State tried merely to regulate and standardize EV, the D'rats went ballistic--it would have demolished their "secret weapon."

Dems had detailed voter lists--they knew every voter in their precincts-- and had a plan to get every one to the polls. Days of early voting and extended hours enabled the D'rat machine to herd the masses into busses and take load after load bodily to the polls. This is how they got 100% votes in black precincts. They wouldn't have had the resources to get them all to the polls on one day......they had to have early voting---the long open season to deposit the necessary votes at the polls.

(CACKLE) FIGURES The dopey GOP had no such organization, or apparently, even the faintest idea of what the DNC had been doing the last four years.

13 posted on 07/07/2013 6:46:10 AM PDT by Liz
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To: SeekAndFind

So if it’s “extremely rare”, there shouldn’t be a law against it? Is 4.7 per 100,000 “extremely rare”? That’s the reported US homicide rate for 2011. Why are there laws banning murder since it’s extremely rare?


14 posted on 07/07/2013 6:46:51 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: SeekAndFind

-——But such fraud is extremely rare-——
Objection.....
Statement of opinion with no facts in evidence


15 posted on 07/07/2013 6:49:14 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Democrats are concerned that the proposed changes will make it harder for many poor voters and members of minorities

Exactly how many adults over the age of 18, who would otherwise be eligible to vote, have absolutely NO valid form of ID to do so?

The GOP should expose this red herring for the lie that it is.

16 posted on 07/07/2013 6:54:04 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Liz

“(CACKLE) FIGURES The dopey GOP had no such organization, or apparently, even the faintest idea of what the DNC had been doing the last four years. “

Oh, I highly doubt the GOP doesn’t know full well the dem tactics. They simply are too cowed to say much about it, for fear of being “racist”.


17 posted on 07/07/2013 6:55:22 AM PDT by mtrott
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To: SeekAndFind

“...but such fraud is extremely rare.”

No matter how thin you slice it, it’s still baloney.


18 posted on 07/07/2013 7:03:13 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Audentis Fortuna Iuvat)
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To: SeekAndFind

The problem is that voter fraud is not extremely rare in certain areas, and those areas won’t do anything to curb Democrat voting fraud.


19 posted on 07/07/2013 7:06:11 AM PDT by pallis
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To: pallis

Bingo. The problem is that I suspect the worst fraud is occurring at precincts such as the one in Philly with the Black Panther dudes standing outside with billy clubs to intimidate voters. Do you really think they are going to allow any poll watchers in there to make sure they are IDing people coming to vote?


20 posted on 07/07/2013 7:21:31 AM PDT by mtrott
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To: hopespringseternal
Furthermore, the power to vote should be restricted to those who are employed or own a business, and those who pay taxes.

I have a problem with seeing a person lose their right to vote simply because they lose their job. The Democrats would endeavor to see that as many that voted Republican the last election would be pink-slipped before the next.

If I could snap my fingers and get my way, here's what would happen: every eligible American would have their vote count as it does now. Every tax-paying American would have their vote weighted by a multiple determined by the amount of federal, state and property taxes they pay. The system to track and police the application of the multiple would take some gymnastics to configure, but I think it's doable. It would eliminate this alternate reality we live in where someone who contributes nothing having their vote count as much as someone who contributes much.

21 posted on 07/07/2013 7:23:42 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: SeekAndFind

Just like convicted felons lose their right to vote for a time, anyone on Federal assistance should similiarly be disenfranchised for the period they are on the dole


22 posted on 07/07/2013 7:30:56 AM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: realcleanguy

I personally know one.

FRmail on its way to you.


23 posted on 07/07/2013 7:31:18 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: SeekAndFind

I suspect the next elections may be dramatic in some places.

For example, in many areas, the Democrats will find it extremely hard to vote the dead and the institutionalized incompetent. But in very Democrat districts, they will, anyway.

So if Republicans send poll watchers to these Democrat districts, there are going to be some serious brawls. “So how come this poll provided 2000 ballots thought only 300 people entered and left the building during that time?”


24 posted on 07/07/2013 7:32:57 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: hopespringseternal

Wow, a little bit much don’t you think? I’m sure you don’t realize it, but numerous Republicans have also lost their jobs and businesses in this obama economy.

As far as paying taxes, I’m assuming you mean federal or state taxes, because in reality, even those not working pay taxes of sort. They can’t buy non food items with food stamps, so they pay taxes on paper products such as toilet paper, cigarette and beer taxes as well.

Maybe you should rethink your hosier-than-thou attitude.


25 posted on 07/07/2013 7:35:17 AM PDT by Catsrus (gg)
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To: SeekAndFind

The greatest fear a democrat faces is an honest election.


26 posted on 07/07/2013 7:35:33 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: SeekAndFind
>P< But such fraud is extremely rare

Since it has been illegal to ask for I.D. how would one know this!!!

27 posted on 07/07/2013 7:37:02 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: Gadsden1st
"We need someone with the proper skill set to come up with a Voter ID card showing the picture of someone in a grave."

That's called an Illinois ID with a Chicago address.

28 posted on 07/07/2013 7:54:58 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: hopespringseternal
The power to vote should be restricted to those who are employed or own a business, and those who pay taxes.

That could get tricky. It could take the right to vote away from senior citizens, who tend to be more conservative voters.

If the right to vote were restricted to those who've been US citizens at least five years, it would stop a lot of mischief.

In OH last election, nobody's talking about what might have been the real problems. Vote-by-mail means anyone could get a ballot for someone, fill it in, get some sort of signature, and mail it. Another issue: early voting happens at polling places away from ones home polling place. Nobody really knows what happens to those votes when for instance voters from Cleveland's suburbs go to an east-side location to vote early.

To make it fair again, people would have to report to a local place on election day, and the votes would have to be counted without technology.

If it's local, people will keep an eye on it. And you know what? The less responsible voters probably won't be as likely to vote.

29 posted on 07/07/2013 8:08:26 AM PDT by grania
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To: mtrott

BINGO!


30 posted on 07/07/2013 8:13:46 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: The Working Man

“who tend to vote Democratic”

They don’t vote “Democratic.” They vote Democrat.


31 posted on 07/07/2013 9:35:09 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

TRUE THE VOTE!

The people who cannot pull it together to get a photo ID SHOULD NOT vote! I never understood the crazy liberal idea that everyone should vote. IMO, if you ever go on government assistance, you should lose your right to vote during the period of mooching and for several years after that. Also, while literacy tests were applied unfairly in the past, the concept behind them (if applied to everyone the same way) is 100% sound.


32 posted on 07/07/2013 9:48:07 AM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: mtrott

Dopey and cowardly.


33 posted on 07/07/2013 9:52:00 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Paladin2

The court cases in Ohio ( Melowese Richardson) and in Indiana recently should prove to the lunkheads that voter fraud is a problem. Voter ID ASAP. Obama is dumping millions into Kenya for voter ID. He seems to have no issue with having an ID. ;>)


34 posted on 07/07/2013 9:53:47 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: Catsrus
They can’t buy non food items with food stamps, so they pay taxes on paper products such as toilet paper, cigarette and beer taxes as well.

Oh please, cry me a river.

Let them pay the tax when (if) they vote. Yes, a poll tax. Yes, you would still have to pay taxes even if you don't vote, but you don't pay the tax, you don't vote.

35 posted on 07/07/2013 9:59:26 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: grania
That could get tricky. It could take the right to vote away from senior citizens, who tend to be more conservative voters.

If the senior citizens are capable of supporting themselves, they vote.

As soon as you are on the dole, no vote.

We are now at a place where half the population is getting a government check and then gets to vote on how much the check is. The democrats now have a self-perpetuating constituency that has a vested interested in destroying this nation.

36 posted on 07/07/2013 10:03:18 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: SeekAndFind
womyn, (the) children, minorities and aberrants hardest hits
corrected; National, State, Local DemocRAT and NGOs political organizations hardest hit.

37 posted on 07/07/2013 10:05:47 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks SeekAndFind.
...new laws requiring voters to show photo identification at the polls after the Supreme Court decision striking down a portion of the Voting Rights Act.
If such fraud is so rare, there's really no reason to oppose this.

Anyone old enough to drive a car has no emeffin excuse for NOT having ID, particularly if they expect to gain access to a bar, vote, or any other activity familiar to mature adults.


38 posted on 07/07/2013 11:46:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

In Mississippi we already had everything in place we had the petitions approved, voted on and passed by the people and then a tacit legislative approval but it was held up by the DOJ. Our goal has been to get Voter ID in place then reform absentee voting procedures. Both democrat candidates in the last election would not endorse Voter ID, both said we didn’t need it that the real fraud is in absentee voting. I bet they will both oppose any reform in absentee voting procedures. I don’t want to prevent any legal qualified voter from voting nor do I know anone who wants that. I want one legal voter to cast one legal vote. Our SOS says we have 5 to 6% election, voter fraud that makes my vote count .95%, I believe one of the few things I’m entitled to in life is a whole vote.


39 posted on 07/07/2013 12:09:52 PM PDT by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Marcella; GlockThe Vote; SunkenCiv; Clintonfatigued; smoothsailing; randita; ...
Democrats are concerned that the proposed changes will make it harder for many poor voters and members of minorities — who tend to vote Democratic — to cast their ballots in states that once discriminated against black voters with poll taxes and literacy tests.

Should be: Democrats are concerned that the proposed changes will make it harder for many poor voters and members of minorities - who tend to vote Democratic - to cast their ballots multiple times or to vote for others or to vote when they are not qualified to do so!!!

BTW, just by seeing the article's headline on my "Pings" page, I guessed correctly in advance of seeing the source that it was from the New York Slimes. Their headline writers have a unique style which one can "smell" from a distance.

Among the states which were previously covered by the preclearance requirement of the Voting Rights Act, most had tended to vote GOP in statewide elections in the recent past. The key states in which the GOP may be helped by tamping down on fraud and cheating with voter ID laws will be Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, and possibly Arizona.

40 posted on 07/07/2013 1:22:17 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: The Working Man

“...states that once discriminated against black voters with poll taxes and literacy tests.”

NYT is forgetting that was when the Democrats controlled the “Solid South.”


41 posted on 07/07/2013 1:32:45 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Liz
Dems are paranoid----USSC threw a nuclear bomb into their plans to STEAL the 2014 elections.

Maybe not a "nuclear bomb" but more like a conventional bomb. The fact is that they are overall fairly weak in the states that had been covered by the pre-clearance requirement of the VRA, anyhow, and they haven't yet amped up their fraud and cheating techniques to the point where elections can be stolen in most of them. The key "swing states" (or "purple states") that had been covered by the VRA are Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia.

Photo ID requirements are useful in preventing scams, but they are not the complete solution. Other changes have to be made in election procedure, like eliminating early voting and Motor Voter, requiring proof of citizenship (which the SCOTUS seems to have disallowed on the state level), eliminating same day registration, and securing electronic voting and vote counting devices from tampering and hacking.

Days of early voting and extended hours enabled the D'rat machine to herd the masses into buses and take load after load bodily to the polls. This is how they got 100% votes in black precincts.

Agree completely that early voting facilitates cheating, and should be done away with. But no black precinct is going to deliver 100% of the votes to the 'Rat. There are always going to be a small minority of blacks who vote Republican. Any precinct reporting a 100% for Zero has got to be reporting their vote fraudulently!!!

42 posted on 07/07/2013 1:48:20 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

It wasn’t a coincidence that every state that had ID voter laws went for Romney, those that didn’t went to Obama.


43 posted on 07/07/2013 1:51:53 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: SeekAndFind
"But such fraud is extremely rare"

If this statement were true -- and it's not -- what would the New York Times have against stamping out voter fraud once and for all?

44 posted on 07/07/2013 1:56:04 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; SeekAndFind; Liz; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; All
So if Republicans send poll watchers to these Democrat districts, there are going to be some serious brawls. “So how come this poll provided 2000 ballots thought only 300 people entered and left the building during that time?”

Sadly you are right. And as long as those in charge don't do anything to stop the cheating, the "serious brawls" could trigger Civil War II. Phony elections have been the trigger point for civil unrest and wars in many nations down through the years. Once a sizable percentage of the population loses faith in the integrity of the electoral process, it is left with no peaceable means to alter its plight.

45 posted on 07/07/2013 1:59:37 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Hotlanta Mike
It wasn’t a coincidence that every state that had ID voter laws went for Romney, those that didn’t went to Obama.

The first part of your statement is true: every state that had (strict) ID photo voter laws did go for Romney, but there were only four of them. So there were other states without such laws that did go to Romney, but obviously not enough of them, if you believe the reported tallies in an election characterized by so much fraud and cheating.

46 posted on 07/07/2013 2:09:16 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: SeekAndFind

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_Laws_in_the_United_States

Helpful chart of current status of Voter ID law, by State.

Looks like Pennsylvania’s goes to trial later this month.


47 posted on 07/07/2013 2:15:33 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: a fool in paradise
BULLSTALINOBAMA

. Fixed it

48 posted on 07/07/2013 2:38:12 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: hopespringseternal

Go cry your own river - you intolerant lib.


49 posted on 07/07/2013 3:22:45 PM PDT by Catsrus (gg)
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To: Catsrus

You want to give welfare queens the power to vote and somehow I am the liberal? I think you are overdue for your meds.


50 posted on 07/07/2013 7:01:48 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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