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To: Jeff Winston

Do you have an alternate theory for why no DNA on Trayvon’s hands and/or clothing? I just find it strange.

I don’t doubt Trayvon was beating Zimmerman. But what if Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman and was defending himself?


147 posted on 07/13/2013 4:57:20 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

Are you suggesting the GZ wounds were not inflicted by TM?


148 posted on 07/13/2013 5:02:02 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: ilovesarah2012
But what if Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman and was defending himself?

Defending himself from what exactly? Words? Eyeball-contact? From being "dissed"?

152 posted on 07/13/2013 5:04:35 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Do you have an alternate theory for why no DNA on Trayvon’s hands and/or clothing? I just find it strange.

The link you provided shows that no swab was taken from Trayvon's knuckles. They were left out in the rain (for 3 hours, I think though you can correct me if I'm wrong), giving plenty of opportunity for any VISIBLE blood there might have been on his knuckles and hands to wash off.

Bear in mind that Trayvon Martin's skin was fairly dark. Visually, blood would not show up on his darker skin nearly as easily as it would show up on the hands of a Caucasian person.

I suspect there were traces of blood there that might have been detected with a DNA swab. But since they weren't visible, and since whoever took the swabs wasn't totally on top of his game, those swabs were never taken.

As for Zimmerman's DNA on Martin's clothing, the only place it might show up would have been on Martin's sleeves. Even that seems unlikely, as Zimmerman, even with a broken nose, wasn't bleeding that much. Not from the face, anyway.

I don’t doubt Trayvon was beating Zimmerman. But what if Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman and was defending himself?

"What if" is the stuff that an acquittal is made of. It's reasonable doubt.

That said, there is no evidence for it.

As I've said before, if Trayvon felt threatened, all he had to do was continue home and go into the apartment. He had a full 4 minutes to cover a pretty short distance.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman pulled a gun on him. If he had, I seriously doubt that Martin would have struck him in the face. If he had attempted to do so, the instant result would have been a gunshot. Even if Martin had landed a punch, we would've had a gunshot early in the encounter. That's not what happened. We had 40 seconds of screaming (which is an eternity) followed by a bang.

Nor is there any evidence that Zimmerman ever struck Martin. No bruises recorded. No evidence of blows. Not to Martin.

Martin's only injuries were a scraped knuckle and a fatal gunshot wound, compared to MANY lacerations on Zimmerman.

All the physical evidence is consistent with Zimmerman's account.

191 posted on 07/13/2013 6:17:23 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: ilovesarah2012

You are making assumptions without any trace of evidence. Trayvon was weaving in and out of the buildings watching George. Watch the video of the re-enactment and you might get an education. If he felt threatened - he had 4 long minutes to get inside of the house where he was staying.

Glad you aren’t on that jury - you are grasping on what ifs - that don’t exist. The logic of some people scares me for this country.


224 posted on 07/13/2013 7:32:29 PM PDT by Catsrus (`)
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To: ilovesarah2012

‘But what if Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman and was defending himself?’

Interesting question.

I believe that the crime scene photo of Trayvon tells the best story of all. The one thing that stands out about the photo is that Trayvon doesn’t have a scratch on him. Nothing. He could be about to leave for his prom date if not for the bullet in his heart.

This tells me that Zimmerman never extended his arms toward Trayvon. The intense pain from his inconsequential broken nose had George grabbing his nose. With Trayvon raining blows down on him, George continued to cover his face.

This frustrated Trayvon that he was unable to deliver the clean knockout blow that he so craved. After 2 or 3 inclusive punches, Trayvon decided to start slamming George’s head into the concrete in an effort to soften him up.

With his nose being given a respite from being punished, Zimmerman went for his gun. At some point Trayvon realized that George must have a weapon, why else would he be grabbing at his belt the way he was. George grabbed the weapon fairly cleanly as he knew exactly where it was. Trayvon made a stab for the weapon, but not knowing exactly where it was probably grabbed George’s wrist instead. As Zimmerman raised his arm, Trayvon realized that he did not have the leverage necessary to prevent George from pointing the weapon at him. At this point Trayvon decided to flee.

It would have been at this point when Trayvon felt threatened by George.

If he had felt threatened before this time, he would have never doubled back and confronted Zimmerman.


229 posted on 07/13/2013 8:16:32 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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