“Has it ever occurred to you that the reason libertarians hate you more than they hate statism”
Thank you for confirming my point. It has been said, “Libertarians hate statism more than they hate conservativism.”
Now, we have proof this is not so.
It has been said, “we cannot win without them”.
Now, again, we have proof that this is not so.
Insofar as libertarians hate conservativism more than they hate statism, we shall see statism prevail.
It is not the duty of conservatives to abandon core conservative principles in order to woo libertarians. It is the duty of libertarians to finally abandon statism.
“Are you so sure it is because of policy disagreements”
Nope. It’s because of prejudice. Pure and simple. Calling conservatives on a conservative site, ‘supporters of sharia’, when they defend protecting the borders is plain prejudice. Pure and simple.
Libertarians say they hate statism but they don’t, not really. They are willing to side with statism because they hate them less than social conservatives.
“They are willing to side with statism because they hate them less than social conservatives.”
I don’t agree with much else you have said on this thread, but you are absolutely right on this when it comes to the people who make the Libertarian Party go. That’s why they can’t get more than a couple of percentage points of the vote. They HATE Rand Paul for being pro life, and wanting to put troops on the border, and opposing gay marriage.
I didn't confirm your point. You are just too obtuse to understand it.
I asked "Has it ever occurred to you that the reason libertarians hate you more than they hate statism?"
I guess I should have put emphasis on you. You, personally. Not conservatives in general: YOU.
Are you getting my point now?
It has been said, “we cannot win without them”.
And you haven't. Reagan was the last real conservative in the Oval Office, and his economic policies brought in enough libertarian-leaning voters to trounce his opposition. As in 49 states.
Reagan only lost the 50th state (Minnesota) by less than 3,000 votes, despite never campaigning there except for a brief stop for gas in Rochester on his way to CA on the eve of the election. And his opponent was career politician from MN. Do you really think it was Reagan's social policies that swung all those MN voters his way? I lived there at the time, and I can tell you with certainty: it wasn't.
More recently, the Republicans took control of the House with a wave of candidates back by the Tea Party. Yes, social conservatives are self-identifying with the Tea party movement, but it began and is sustained with conservative economic principles. Where do you think those voters came from? They were always there, they just weren't voting for Republicans that were Democrat-lite.
Insofar as libertarians hate conservativism more than they hate statism, we shall see statism prevail.
You have it backward. You hate libertarians more than you hate statism. And in case you aren't getting it, I'm not including you with conservatives. You aren't one, despite your belief that you are. Sorry to burst the bubble you've been living in.
It is not the duty of conservatives to abandon core conservative principles in order to woo libertarians. It is the duty of libertarians to finally abandon statism.
You can pontificate about "duty" all you want. But, I'm going to ask you a straight out question: do you want Republicans to win another national election, ever again? If you do, you had better learn to work with the only political group that has anything in common with you.
Your personal attacks only degrades you. Anyone with a moderate level of intelligence can recognize your astonishing level of intolerance, and ignore you and work with conservatives that are interested in changing the direction of this country. You will be cut out of the discussion completely.
Nope. It’s because of prejudice. Pure and simple. Calling conservatives on a conservative site, ‘supporters of sharia’, when they defend protecting the borders is plain prejudice. Pure and simple.
I'm sure you will be able to point me to cases where someone has made this claim. Then, I'll look at his/her posting history and decide if they are really a troll pretending to be libertarian, like you are pretending to be conservative. Or, if they were making the claim about you, rather than conservatives in general.
But, you are right about one thing: the problem is prejudice. Yours, personally.
Libertarians say they hate statism but they don’t, not really.
Then why were the libertarian wing of the Republicans (largely Tea Party supporters) the only ones in the party to vote for the NSA defunding? You didn't even address my point in my previous post. Did the truth make you uncomfortable?
Let me take a guess: You don't consider the vacuuming of personal data by the NSA without any suspicion of criminal activity to be "statist". If I'm correct, I think you need to take a close look at yourself and decide who the "statists" really are.