Posted on 08/07/2013 7:08:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
And if that person doesn’t come along...
The money is abandoned. Since the police possess it, they keep 9/10’s of it.
It’s really confiscation of property. Something the statists have wanted to do for a long time. See the communist manifesto.
Notice how they give it a nice name “civil forfeiture” which lulls people to sleep so they don’t realize what’s happening.
It was in the possession of someone else. It wasn’t abandoned. It was effectively stolen from someone.
Why should someone with a uniform on be able to walk up to someone and take their cash? If no charges can be brought, then there’s no crime.
Give the money back.
How would police officers like to be approached by a group of people, challenged to prove where they got all the money they had on them, the group not being satisfied be able to take the money? Sound like a great idea to you does it?
Sorry, don’t count me on board the taking of cash on a whim with no charges being brought, no warrant...
No way!
They are pretty good about killing your dogs too.
“It was in the possession of someone else. “
Sometimes they never claim the money. There’s a difference between possessing something and owning something. You can possess someone’s credit card but you don’t own it. You can possess someone’s car and not own it.
In a perfect world, no one should be able to question your possession of something but in a perfect world, people wouldn’t steal things.
Much of the time, they deny knowledge of the money because drugs are involved so it’s a moot point. Plus they never will get the cash back. They will get a check which involves a paper trail from that point forward.
I’m sorry but I must disagree - our system of law is based on innocence until proven guilty. It is a law system that allows some bad guys to go free due to lack of evidence (an alpha error) while preventing as much as possible the conviction of innocents (a beta error).
If we start saying it’s ok to catch a few innocents if we get all the bad guys then we’ve lost our way.
Besides no loss of property should be allowed until conviction is completed as no proof of guilt has been shown.
Asset forfeiture without conviction of criminal offense is just government sanctioned robbery.
Anyone who supports the War On drugs as it has been carried out is a freedom-hating fool.
The WOD,more than anything,has been used to destroy the American constitutional protections and the presumption of innocence.The WOD is the excuse for militarizing the police, for murderous SWAT teams,and an un-needed expansion in police numbers.
Then there is the corrosive,pervasive corruption of payoffs JUST LIKE THE OLD ALCOHOL PROHIBITION times.
Thw WOD was,is, and will always be a bad idea embraced by control freaks.
” Sorry, don’t count me on board the taking of cash on a whim with no charges being brought, no warrant...
No way!”
I personally know of several people who had their cash snatched, after a routine traffic stop. Try getting that money back quickly....just try.
Sorry to hear that.
Imagine if you will the old Pony Express days. A rider might be carrying a bag of money headed for a town up ahead.
Along comes the U. S. Marshal and says, “Hey. Where did you get that money?” The rider responds, “It’s a sum that was sent by “x” concern, and is headed to “x” bank.
The Marshal says, “You can’t prove that can you?” Rider, “Well no I can’t.”
Marshal, “Okay well I’ll just take it.”
“You may see me later and you may not...”
Anyone buying this?
That’s exactly what is going on here. It’s theft.
Your friends were at least temporarily the victims of theft. I don’t know about everyone else, but my money is committed. I can’t have portions of it taken for days, weeks, or months at a time. It would expose me to a very problematic situation.
My guess is, your friends were in the same boat. They could very easily have defaulted on their obligations.
Taking this money is wrong!
” Your friends were at least temporarily the victims of theft. I don’t know about everyone else, but my money is committed. I can’t have portions of it taken for days, weeks, or months at a time.”
Watch any classic car TV show.The seller will NOT accept anything other than cash to sell their car. I doesn’t happen.
People buy cars and trucks for cash every day. Thousands have had their cash tied up by cops, who snatched their cash. Ask any cop if this isn’t true.
I do not like like these so called “laws”. The government must be compelled to operate within the bounds of The Billof Rights.
The 4th Amendment must not be abridged nor undermined, as well the very concept of probable cause and due process.
As it stands, LEO’s can take your property to increase their income and for the benefit of their office and collude with other agencies not for the goal of crime fighting but, for the common goal of sharing in the bounty of that which they loot from the unidicted, unsuspecting and those lacking the ability to defend themselves.
Further, the common and shared confuscation ensures greater power and voices lend themselves to the defense of what any other persons and organizations, outside law enforcement and judicial powers, could rightly be indicted for a good many crimes except that they enjoy absolute immunity.
How is it fair and just that this continues?
It should be unacceptable and painful to their conscience, were it to exist.
Why? Is it against the law to travel with so much cash?
Not withstanding a more prudent and insured deposit of funds into a bank and drawing on the funds by means of check, money orders or transfer.
I hear ya. It’s wrong...
I hear ya. It’s wrong...
The taking that is...
You’re talking about the military, right?
>> “The cops become bandits with uniforms.” <<
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Haven’t they always worn uniforms?
It’s okay by you because they are rare, by your measure?
I would assert they are not rare by any measure, this artickle illustrates that and any abuse is wrong.
That many good eggs are broken in pursuit of a few is callous disregard for intent, probable cause and wholly irresposible with a consciouce and willful disregard for Constitutional rights and protections.
They enjoy wholesale immunity, privileges and the full backing of unlimited funds to pursue anyone they wish, while denying and confiscating means that would enable a common citizen to defend themselves.
They have the power to divest you of that which you spent decades acquiring under the rubric of “common good”, “for the children” and “God knows my heart”.
Right.
Zactly!
I cannot prove how I acquired a good many things in my life. It has been decades since I purchased them and the receipts long ago faded, lost or not detailing particularly those items. Just a receipt with numbers on it.
I agree with this thought. You know, government cannot help itself. When it takes action, it almost always takes too much action. Then you play hell getting back to some form of reason.
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