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New York test scores hint at hard road ahead for Common Core
Christian Science ^ | August 8, 2013 | Stacy Teicher Khadaroo

Posted on 08/10/2013 9:20:24 AM PDT by george76

Just 31 percent of the state’s students in grades 3 to 8 were deemed proficient in math and in English language arts (ELA) on the new tests, compared with about 65 percent in math and 55 percent in ELA on last year’s tests. Kentucky, another leading-edge state implementing its own common core tests, experienced similar declines in scores last year. Most of the 45 states that have signed on to the Common Core are waiting until at least 2014-15 to implement common tests that are still in development.

For those who support the Common Core, a set of standards for college- and career-readiness in the 45 states that have voluntarily adopted them, the drop in New York’s scores offers a more honest benchmark. It shows how much work schools need to do to prepare students for future success in colleges and careers

(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: common; commoncore; core; education

1 posted on 08/10/2013 9:20:24 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Pretend to teach.
Spend gobs and gobs of $$$$$ on extra ‘teachers’ administrators and ‘consultants’.
MAKE SURE that students learn very little, if anything.......because the REAL GOAL of this miseducation is a dumbed-down population of robo-voters.


2 posted on 08/10/2013 9:29:27 AM PDT by Flintlock ("The redcoats are coming" -- TO SEIZE OUR GUNS!!--Paul Revere)
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To: george76
All the money and changes to the curriculum in the world wont help improve the knowledge of kids barely above the retarded level.

What really needs to be implemented is a dual track system where most of the kids are guided toward classes that help prepare them for manual labor jobs, while the intelligent few are guided towards classes that will help prepare them for college.

Most kids have no business in college.

College is for the best and brightest. It wont magically turn a moron into a genius. All it will do it burden them with a lifetime of debt.

3 posted on 08/10/2013 9:31:20 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: george76

It will become nothing more than a “teach to the test education”. No critical or practical thinking required. More of the same Crap from union teachers.


4 posted on 08/10/2013 9:35:33 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009; FreedomPoster

Common Core national standards will set our children back years. The math standards specifically are markedly inferior


5 posted on 08/10/2013 9:39:09 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Common Core [is] New Skool


6 posted on 08/10/2013 9:51:38 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: neverdem; The Mayor

Common Core national standards will set our children back years. The math standards specifically are markedly inferior


7 posted on 08/10/2013 9:57:07 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: C210N

Actually Common Core’s been around for awhile. Remember the 12th Grade Reading Test State of Arkansas?

Passage of this Test Mandatory for Diploma

MR MICE
MR NOT MICE
OSAR
CM BD FEET
LIB
MR MICE MR DUCKS

MR DUCKS
MR NOT DUCK
OSAR
CM WANGS
LIB
MR DUCKS

MR SNAKES
MR NOT SNAKES
OSAR
CM BD EYES
LIB
MR DUCKS

MR FARMERS
MR NOT FARMER
OSAR
CM MT POCKETS
LIB
MR FARMERS


8 posted on 08/10/2013 10:09:17 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever
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To: george76
george76 said: "The math standards specifically are markedly inferior ..."

Then why didn't New York students score higher on the tests if the tests represent inferior standards?

If you give an easier test, won't the students score higher?

I don't know any details about "Common Core", but the principles of mathematics and the principles of spoken and written English are pretty much COMMON throughout the country.

I would be highly suspicious if a newly adopted curriculum resulted in remarkably higher scores. The outcome we are seeing is what I would expect if the standards are being raised and the system is incapable as yet of meeting the standards.

9 posted on 08/10/2013 10:29:01 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: george76

Questions on the exam don’t match the school curriculum. How and where to apply for freebies and programs before, during and after school. Why do they have to complete the forms for you? How to calculate the price of a stolen car in grams. How to obtain your own EBT card without producing ID. How much is a stolen drivers license worth on the corner? How much does it detract from Obama’s creds that he is half Cracka? How much can you expect to be paid for showing up at the next Sharpton rally?
Now, answering those questions would tell you who’s learning things in Common Core Public Schools.


10 posted on 08/10/2013 10:43:21 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: William Tell; george76
I would be highly suspicious if a newly adopted curriculum resulted in remarkably higher scores. The outcome we are seeing is what I would expect if the standards are being raised and the system is incapable as yet of meeting the standards.

I agree, math is math and common core shines a measure of light across the nation on the subject.

Either students across the nation can solve 1-(-35)+15-3 = x, or they can't. Where they can't, adjustments will be needed to reduce grade inflation and see to it that the students learn more.

11 posted on 08/10/2013 11:07:06 AM PDT by fso301
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To: george76

The headline appears very misleading (and it is the headline of the source article).

If the test had remained the same, and if scores had then dropped significantly with the introduction of a different curriculum, then that would say something negative about the curriculum.

But in this case the tests themselves were made significantly harder (or more likely the cutoffs for achieving “proficiency” were raised significantly) AND the curriculum was changed, so it’s very difficult to draw any conclusions at all about the Common Core curriculum from the results.

What’s been happening is that the Feds have begun to insist that states wanting federal funding have to align their proficiency standards with other states so they are more comparable from state to state. Some states have had to do a lot of upward adjusting in that process and parents are now finding out that their kids shouldn’t have been considered “proficient” in some subjects after all.

To be clear, I have a big problem with the Feds having anything at all to do with education. I’m just describing what’s been happening, as I’ve been given to understand it.

The federal government should stay out of the business of curriculum design because eventually Leftists buried deep in all of the federal bureaucracies will be the ones designing them and our kids will be getting even more propaganda in grade school than they now are. And what they’re already getting is way, way, too much.

If you want to improve curricula, the route to doing so is to implement statewide vouchers and let the state aid follow the child. Parents will take care of the rest.


12 posted on 08/10/2013 12:41:45 PM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: Norseman

If only 31 percent of the state’s students in grades 3 to 8 were deemed proficient in math and in English language - that would hint at hard road ahead for those students, freedom, and America ?

2 - the Feds having anything at all to do with education is bad on several different levels.


13 posted on 08/10/2013 12:51:35 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Norseman

norseman, you have it exactly backasswards.

A curriculum + a test using material several grade levels higher than that appropriate for the age of the students will = FAILURE.

This makes it VERY EASY to draw the right conclusion about the common core curriculum. FRAUD.

It is as phony a form of “rigor” as any you will find.

By the way, the scoring was not made harder. It was actually a case of grading to the curve. Rather than a hard set of cut offs, they used the student’s performance as the basis. You need to get out and read more...


14 posted on 08/10/2013 12:55:24 PM PDT by bioqubit
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To: TexasFreeper2009

what manual labor jobs?


15 posted on 08/10/2013 4:19:26 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: William Tell
I don't know any details about "Common Core", but the principles of mathematics and the principles of spoken and written English are pretty much COMMON throughout the country.

No, they are not. All you have to do to engender low test scores is to change notation (I went through this when I changed colleges). Standards of notation vary considerably with regard to set operations, series and sequences, and even arithmetic operations. Try reading some foreign scientific journals some time. The differences are surprising.

Hence, these creeps are using that deliberately-induced confusion to sell Common Core as "rigorous." You bought it.

16 posted on 08/11/2013 8:21:18 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: William Tell; george76
george76 put up this post showing some of the differences in mathematics between the existing curriculum and common core.
17 posted on 08/11/2013 8:27:51 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: bioqubit

I think you’ll find that the cut scores were raised significantly. At least they were in my state.

If you’d given the exact same test two days in a row, the effect of changing the cut scores in the way they did would have made everyone look dumber a day later.

My point is that you can’t draw the conclusion being drawn from the results of a new test with changed cut scores. You’d have to use the same test both times, and even then you’d have to find a way to deal with the issues of teaching to the test and possible corruption (See Atlanta) on the first, or even the second, test.

The Common Core curriculum might be very good or very bad, but the NY results are useless in deciding that. Just as an example, what if the cut scores had been lowered dramatically. The headline would then read like Common Core was the answer to our education problem, and it would be just as false.

Regardless, the federal government does not belong in the education arena. It will lead to no good end. But that’s a separate issue.


18 posted on 08/11/2013 8:48:48 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: dennisw

plumber, electrician, carpenter, ect

Jobs requiring little advanced education which pay well and can never be outsourced.


19 posted on 08/11/2013 9:19:30 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: george76

I am so glad my youngest graduated from high school in June.


20 posted on 08/11/2013 4:15:14 PM PDT by ContraryMary (Barack Obama = Neville Chamberlain)
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