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Ex-pope Benedict says God told him to resign during 'mystical experience'
The Guardian ^ | 8/21/2013 | Tim Klington

Posted on 08/21/2013 8:05:05 AM PDT by Vermont Lt

The former pope Benedict has claimed that his resignation in February was prompted by God, who told him to do it during a "mystical experience".

Breaking his silence for the first time since he became the first pope to step down in 600 years, the 86-year-old reportedly said: "God told me to" when asked what had pushed him to retire to a secluded residence in the Vatican gardens.

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I am sure someone stood over him one night and told him it was time to go...just not sure it was God. Probably some guy in a bellacava ski mask.
1 posted on 08/21/2013 8:05:05 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt

God worls in mysterious ways...and in many forms ;)


2 posted on 08/21/2013 8:06:23 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Vermont Lt

My default position on people saying, “God told me to do it.” is one of eye rolls, but in the case of the Pope, I will make an exception.


3 posted on 08/21/2013 8:08:05 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Shrooms man, that stuff happens.


4 posted on 08/21/2013 8:08:30 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Mystical experience. Dementia. What’s in a name?


5 posted on 08/21/2013 8:09:37 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Vermont Lt
I am a “casual” Catholic & I don’t like what I’m thinking.
6 posted on 08/21/2013 8:11:08 AM PDT by varon ( cum tyrannis para bellum)
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To: fwdude

Let’s just accept on face value, that he had a notion that it was time to step down. He’s 85, I think? He’s an old man and realized it, and decided to step aside.


7 posted on 08/21/2013 8:12:27 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Jeff Chandler

Yep, the Pope gets the exception on this one. It is called speaking “ex cathedra” - i.e infallible.


8 posted on 08/21/2013 8:19:45 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Vermont Lt

I thought it was all the frivolous lawsuits.


9 posted on 08/21/2013 8:20:29 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Vermont Lt

You would think I wouldn’t be shocked anymore at the anti-Catholic comments on FR... but I am truly amazed at the mocking of the Spiritual.


10 posted on 08/21/2013 8:20:57 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Vermont Lt

We’ll find out one day, one way or another. I’ll haveta remember to ask Him..................


11 posted on 08/21/2013 8:22:31 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Dittos. Especially BXVI.


12 posted on 08/21/2013 8:23:14 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: pgyanke

When evil is daily tolerated on a forum (the way anti-Catholicism is here), it overtakes it and chokes out the good. FR is a shadow of its former self.


13 posted on 08/21/2013 8:26:16 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Vermont Lt

God still DOES speak to us.


14 posted on 08/21/2013 8:26:20 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

You got that right. I often have seen in the last couple of months threads that have been posted by Catholics on articles by Catholics having been attacked by Bible based Christians. It has greatly sadden me, at a time when there are Christians who are suffering and dying in places such as the Middle East.


15 posted on 08/21/2013 8:28:36 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Too many choose to ignore HIM. How can anyone love GOD and ignore HIM and HIS word?


16 posted on 08/21/2013 8:31:54 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

If FR has declined, I’m pretty sure it has absolutely nothing to do with your imagined “anti-Catholicism”.


17 posted on 08/21/2013 8:32:07 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

None so blind...


18 posted on 08/21/2013 8:33:12 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: fwdude

Could be dementia, but God could’ve REALLY WANTED Bergoglio to be the new Pope!! (Pope Francis).


19 posted on 08/21/2013 8:34:32 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: pgyanke

I agree. There are many people who are going to have a BIG surprise someday


20 posted on 08/21/2013 8:37:40 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Bitter clinger & creepy-ass cracker)
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To: glorgau
It is called speaking “ex cathedra” - i.e infallible.

No, it's not. Please don't miseducate on Catholic doctrine. Read on the subject here.

21 posted on 08/21/2013 8:37:56 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Biggirl

My gut reaction to a large number of the anti-Catholic replies are made by posters who were once Catholic, but over time and all the coverage of homosexuality within the Church, they left and have a feeling of being lied to in their youth by a number of hypocritical spiritual leaders. I state this because I encountered such behavior while in Catholic High School in N.Y. Over the years I have tried to reestablish my Catholic faith, only to have another scandal unearthed. I have no idea why Pope Benedict chose to step down, but I accept it. There is no possible way for me to understand his decision so I will accept it on faith in God and Christianity.


22 posted on 08/21/2013 8:39:13 AM PDT by shadeaud (Stay Thirsty My Friends)
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To: varon
I am a “casual” Catholic & I don’t like what I’m thinking.

I don't mean to be offensive with this... but there is no such thing as a "casual" Catholic. You either accept the identity and authority of the Church or you don't. "Casual" Catholicism gets us the Kennedy's, Kerry's and Pelosi's of the world. I recommend reading "Reasons to Believe" as a beginning to restoration in the Faith.

May God bless you.

23 posted on 08/21/2013 8:41:14 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Vermont Lt

My guess is at 86 the man simply realized the job was not his cup of tea and was tired of the hassle!!!


24 posted on 08/21/2013 8:43:12 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: pgyanke

It can be truly breathtaking

In this case, just to NOT to imagine that the Pope has an ongoing conversation with God seems kooky.

Do people really think he gets in to the position for the housing, the wardrobe the perceived power?

Don’t they imagine that he is contemplative and meditates on the life of Jesus and what He told us?

They don’t realize that the Holy Spirit can and does send signs to those who choose to be receptive to them and that the Pope asks God to send signs and answers to questions about our doing God’’s will in daily, certainly significant events?

People on FR do tend to take secular news’ views when it comes to the Catholic Church. Definitely the Pope & the Vatican.

I see this headline and I go right to the Nat’l Catholic Register without poisoning my mind with this account

Much as I turn to Mark Levin for a factual account of legislative events, for instance

I’ve had many multi day discussions on this site just in failed effort to request proof of some anti catholic accusation or assertion


25 posted on 08/21/2013 8:46:28 AM PDT by stanne
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To: pgyanke
No, it's not.

I use this in the Humpty Dumpty fashion - 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less'.

26 posted on 08/21/2013 8:47:30 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: shadeaud
Over the years I have tried to reestablish my Catholic faith, only to have another scandal unearthed.

Consider that the scandals are the devil's tools to undermine the faith. It is very hard to find a case of priestly molestation that occurred since 2000. Sure, the case has come to a head since then but the offense typically occurred decades ago. We can certainly agree that the bishops screwed up the messaging and the leadership on the issue... but they did do something right in dealing with the problem. That isn't true in other areas of society (public schools, politicians, UN missions, et al).

I recommend Scott Hahn as an author for rebuilding your faith. A good place to start is "Reasons to Believe." May God bless you.

27 posted on 08/21/2013 8:49:27 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

I’m not pro or anti. both sides get “high and mighty”. Simple truth in my mind is that if you believe christ died and rose in 3 days and have faith and try to live a life without sin going forward your part of the deal.

I don’t trust any of the “organizations” but believe the church is made of all those who believe the above. The details beyond that are minor in comparison...


28 posted on 08/21/2013 8:49:31 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: pgyanke; Colofornian

You would think I wouldn’t be shocked anymore at the anti-Catholic comments on FR...

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Exactly.

How ‘bout something we can all agree on like an anti-Mormonism thread.

Catholics and Protestants hating on each other is so inappropriate. So let’s get to hating on Mormonism and the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Do I need a sarcasm tag?


29 posted on 08/21/2013 8:50:51 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Is it just the anti Catholic sentiment that is evil? Or is it evil when Catholics dismiss Protestantism (as is daily done here on this forum)?


30 posted on 08/21/2013 8:52:34 AM PDT by dmz
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To: glorgau
I use this in the Humpty Dumpty fashion - 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less'.

Then I might call you an idiot... don't worry, though. It only means what I choose it to mean. That doesn't work, does it? Words have meanings. Your quip above is more of a liberal approach that seeks to control the debate through controlling the terms. I don't appreciate the approach from either source.

31 posted on 08/21/2013 8:53:14 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: dmz
Is it just the anti Catholic sentiment that is evil? Or is it evil when Catholics dismiss Protestantism (as is daily done here on this forum)?

I see far more charity on here Catholic to Protestant than the reverse. While we try to educate and refute (and sometimes take umbrage... we're human), we tend to take vitriol and slander in response. This isn't 100% either way, though... it just tends to lean this way. Is it less evil when pointed at anyone else? No.

32 posted on 08/21/2013 8:56:38 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Vermont Lt

God, the holy spirit, does speak into your inner man.

Some people recognize the voice, some people act on it without identifying it explicitly. Some people hear it but don’t have the nerve to act on it. Some people roll over and go back to sleep.


33 posted on 08/21/2013 8:58:18 AM PDT by marron
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Perhaps he had channeled Donald Trump and got a “Your fired” response?


34 posted on 08/21/2013 8:59:15 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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“I see far more charity on here Catholic to Protestant than the reverse”

Um...not from the Protestant perspective. A lot of Catholics post pretty nasty anti-Protestant threads for no apparent reason. Baiting isn’t charitable.


35 posted on 08/21/2013 9:02:02 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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You're not talking about Yopios® cereal are you? Or about you not belonging to the One True Church are you? Or if you try to read and understand the Scriptures on your own (Nobody can do that!!) then you are your own god in the mirror. These are just some of the ones I've encountered.
36 posted on 08/21/2013 9:16:29 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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God is in constant communion with every single being. It is us that turn away and chose to instead admire our image in the mirror, listening only to our own physical sensors or memories of them.


37 posted on 08/21/2013 9:16:38 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: Vermont Lt
I'm not a Catholic, and wasn't raised to appreciate them all that much.  No offense intended to anyone.  I just like to lay it out there so folks can understand where I am coming from.

In an age when men value power more than just about anything, here's a man that accepted what he thought was God's desire, and passed on the power to someone else.

I can't help but respect that.

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38 posted on 08/21/2013 9:28:20 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: pgyanke

Taking issue with a Roman pope is not mocking the spiritual in any way, shape, or form. He’s just a man who is no more worthy of reverence than any other man. In fact, based on the claims popes make of themselves they are worthy of nothing but my contempt.

John Calvin said, “A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that God’s truth is attacked and yet would remain silent.” Everything a pope says or does as pope is an attack on the Master! I cannot be quiet while Catholics spread their soul-destroying propaganda.

Anyone who understands what is at stake with Rome I suggest the following:

Don’t Just Stand There—Say Something: The Sin of Silence in a Time of Trouble

http://www.albertmohler.com/2013/08/21/dont-just-stand-there-say-something-the-sin-of-silence-in-a-time-of-trouble-2/


39 posted on 08/21/2013 9:40:59 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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In an age when men value power more than just about anything, here's a man that accepted what he thought was God's desire, and passed on the power to someone else.

Exactly.

Its odd that there are people who believe that you pray for God's guidance and he doesn't give it.

40 posted on 08/21/2013 10:10:06 AM PDT by marron
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To: .45 Long Colt
I cannot be quiet while Catholics spread their soul-destroying propaganda.

Thanks for proving the points of multiple posts upthread.

May God Bless you too, and enlighten you to the Truth.

41 posted on 08/21/2013 10:16:46 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: dmz

There’s lots of evils. And anti-Catholicism is one of the worst.


42 posted on 08/21/2013 10:25:37 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: marron

I agree, but having said that, this is one of my personal failings too. Ahhh, the human condition...


43 posted on 08/21/2013 10:26:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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There’s lots of evils. And anti-Catholicism is one of the worst.

Yeah, it tops murder, rape, child molestation, human trafficking, arson and whole host of other felonies. When Jesus railed against the Pharisees, He was seen as the worst threat also.

44 posted on 08/21/2013 11:07:53 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

The poster was talking about evils on this forum. I’m not aware of murderers, rapists, child molesters etc. on this forum. But maybe you know something I don’t.


45 posted on 08/21/2013 11:25:04 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
There’s lots of evils.

I don't see a on-this-forum in this statement.

The topic was also the Anti-Catholicism. One would naturally want to know the cause of this. And if a person were to rank Anti-Catholicism topping murder, rapes and pedophilia then that might be a cause of these conflicts.

46 posted on 08/21/2013 11:50:19 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob
I don't see a on-this-forum in this statement.

If you are unable to follow a conversation in a thread, you should refrain from commenting on that thread.

To: pgyanke

When evil is daily tolerated on a forum (the way anti-Catholicism is here), it overtakes it and chokes out the good. FR is a shadow of its former self.

13 posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:26:16 AM by Brian Kopp DPM

To: Brian Kopp DPM

Is it just the anti Catholic sentiment that is evil? Or is it evil when Catholics dismiss Protestantism (as is daily done here on this forum)?

30 posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:52:34 AM by dmz

To: dmz

There’s lots of evils. And anti-Catholicism is one of the worst.

42 posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:25:37 PM by Brian Kopp DPM
And if a person were to rank Anti-Catholicism topping murder, rapes and pedophilia then that might be a cause of these conflicts.

If a person were to deliberately take something out of context and try to use it to advance their anti-Catholic bigotry, what else would be new on FR?

47 posted on 08/21/2013 11:56:51 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: pgyanke

If Obama said he was directed by a higher power to attack Syria, the folks around here would be up in arms.

This guy found himself heading a corrupt organization. He did not have the intestinal fortitude to deal with that. I respect that.

Saying that he was otherwise directed is a cop out.


48 posted on 08/21/2013 12:24:20 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchers?)
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To: Vermont Lt
If Obama said he was directed by a higher power to attack Syria, the folks around here would be up in arms.

I would believe him... except his higher power is quite a bit lower than the Pope's. Just sayin'...

This guy found himself heading a corrupt organization. He did not have the intestinal fortitude to deal with that. I respect that.

Coming right out and admitting your anti-Catholic bias. I appreciate that. It saves a lot of back and forth arguing whether or not you're a bigot.

Saying that he was otherwise directed is a cop out.

Gee, a man whose only job is communion with God and administering His Church takes what he believes to be God's direction... clearly, we must look for another reason.

49 posted on 08/21/2013 12:47:17 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Oh FRiend, based on John 6:45 we know that all who come to Christ have been taught by God. My eyes were opened and I was enlightened to the Truth of Christ way back in 1977. That’s when I was saved by His glorious grace, and His grace alone.

I’m sorry Catholics don’t like it when others express themselves regarding the papacy and the Roman Catholic system of religion. I suppose that’s understandable and I don’t mean to be hurtful. However, it should likewise be understandable that many of us are equally offended by Rome. It should be understandable that those of us who live under the explicit anathemas of Rome, those whose spiritual ancestors were slaughtered for centuries by Rome, cannot now pretend that the Roman church is just another Christian denomination that happens to do things a little differently. I can’t in good conscience pretend the popes are anything but wicked men. And based on the Bible I can’t pretend the Roman religion is anything but apostate.

To keep the peace, perhaps all things Catholic should be limited to caucus threads so Catholics aren’t offended by all the hurtful responses from those of us bound by conscience to speak against the pope’s system and to speak for the gospel of His free and sovereign grace.

To be clear, my issue is with the Roman Catholic system— her institutions, doctrines, and leadership—and not her people. Based on Revelation 18:4, I am hopeful there is a remnant of regenerate believers to be found among the Catholic laity. I suspect that once men are truly saved they will grow uncomfortable and eventually leave the Catholic system. I know many Catholics, to include a good number of my own relatives, and most are ignorant of both Catholic and Christian doctrine, and I feel sorry for them. What they need more than anything in the world is for people like me to care enough to sound the alarm and tell them the TRUTH.

“And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” (Revelation 18:4)


50 posted on 08/21/2013 12:48:34 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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