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To: Godebert; JRandomFreeper
Then so is the rule of law.
Please point out the relevant part of the US Constitution that supports your opinion of the meaning of "Natural Born" citizenship requirements.

Lacking that, please point out the relevant law pass by the US Congress and signed by a US President that supports your opinion of the meaning of "Natural Born" citizenship requirements.

Lacking that, please point out the relevant US Supreme Court ruling that supports your opinion of the meaning of "Natural Born" citizenship requirements.

If you can't provide any of the above, you don't have a leg to stand on, constitutionally speaking.

You see, the founders of this country (those guys who wrote the US Constitution) were really smart guys and with the exception of Slavery (for very real and well-stated reasons) covered everything that they could think of at the time in detail. I sincerely doubt that if they thought as you do on this subject, they would have overlooked this issue and not have left clear requirements/or a definition in the Constitution.

Does not seem very likely.
19 posted on 08/26/2013 2:10:39 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
The Constitution is NOT a dictionary. There was only one definition of natural born citizen at the time the founders wrote Article II. That definition is found in the The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

Benjamin Franklin to: Charles William Frederic Dumas

----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Sir,

Philadelphia, 9 December, 1775.

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26 posted on 08/26/2013 2:21:12 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: SoConPubbie; JRandomFreeper

Let’s look at the law:

Three types of citizenship are recognized by our government: native born (jus solis); naturalized; and citizen-by-statute (derived citizenship [jus sanguinas] from parents). All have equal rights. All can serve in Congress, either as a Representative in the House, or as a Senator in the Senate.

The following link will take you to the government’s own Immigration Service web page describing the three types of citizenship. (Note: the above was current in early 2009 before BHO2’s minions began mucking it up.)

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

Natural born Citizen is NOT a type of statutory citizenship. Natural born is ONLY an eligibility requirement for the U.S. Presidency per Article II, Section 1, clause 5, of the U.S. Constitution, and requires, as per the Founders, the President and Vice President to be born in the United States (jus solis) AND of two citizen parents (jus sanguinas).

The definition of natural born Citizen appears in the holding of SCOTUS’s unanimous decision of Minor v. Happersett (1874).

Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that the Constitution did not grant women the right to vote...

The Minor v. Happersett ruling was based on an interpretation of the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Supreme Court readily accepted that Minor was a citizen of the United States, but it held that the constitutionally protected privileges of citizenship did not include the right to vote.

SCOTUS rejected Minor’s argument that she was a citizen under the 14th Amendment of the U.S.Constitution, and examined her eligibility, concluding that she belonged to the class of citizens who, being born in the U.S. of citizen parents, was a natural born Citizen, and not covered by the 14th Amendment. (Read that again — this means that 14th Amendment Citizens ARE NOT Natural born Citizens.) This holding has been used in 25 consequent SCOTUS decisions since 1875.

No one has the RIGHT to be President.

The eligibility requirement of Natural Born Citizenship (jus solis + jus sanguinas: born in the U.S. of U.S. citizen parents) must be viewed as a means to prevent split allegiance for any President of the United States.

The following is often used to support people like Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz who seek to be President, but it was superceded centuries ago and is a false argument.

“The First U.S. Congress included in the 1790 Immigration & Naturalization Act language to alert the State Department to the fact that Americans born abroad are “natural born” citizens” and are not to be viewed as foreigners due to foreign birth. They were not granted citizenship via that US statute rather citizenship was stated as a fact that must be recognized by immigration authorities. These children were not citizens by any other means than natural law, according to Congress, and statutory law was written to insure that their natural citizenship was recognized.”

This was superceded in 1795 with any “Natural born Citizen” statement absent.

The above 1790 Act is not a reasonable explanation. It fails to recognize that Congress only has powers over naturalization and has no power to define “natural born Citizen”, which has nothing to do with naturalization. Furthermore, if Congress wants to tell the State Department something, they don’t have to enact legislation to do it.

But more important is that all of the following naturalization acts, 1795, 1802, etc., were also passed to naturalize the children of U.S. citizens born abroad. And the words “natural born” were repealed in the 1795 Naturalization Act and never returned again.

If the public wants to change the Constitution and negate the presidential eligibility requirement of Natural born Citizen, then the United States Constitution provides for that in Article V.

The U.S. Congress does not have the power to define ‘Natural born Citizen’ except through the amendment process as defined in Article V.


148 posted on 08/26/2013 5:33:57 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITIZEN: BORN IN THE USA OFCITIZEN PARENTS)
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