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Posted on 08/30/2013 12:02:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
>Why dont you try listening to him now?
To tell you the truth, I don’t listen much to any politician. I read a lot...receive four conservative publications and of course FR. I am talking about the Republicans. They are the ones that want a winner and if he doesn’t impress them he won’t win the primary.
There’s only one Gipper (RR).
But as for Cruz and his range of speaking abilities, I’ll predict this: “You ain’t seen nuthin’, yet”.
I do, too. Don’t get me wrong here. I fully believe he is a natural born citizen because he didn’t need to be naturalized to achieve citizenship.
Yeah.....NBC was a completely meaningless phrase. At least, that is what everybody says now. Of course, in my younger days I thought 2+2 =4, but now 5 is ok or 6 as long as you are trying to get to the right answer.
Cruz
B U M P
If you choose not to listen, your choice, your loss.
As for Republicans deciding based on how they like his speechmaking or not, the Republican Establishment is terrified of his abilities. They HATE him for his abilities because they don’t want his Conservativism to WIN.
That’s how twisted things have become.
And just so you’ll know, the same type of GOP Establishment actually hated Ronald Reagan. They tried and tried to stop him but the majority of all Americans liked him so much, the Republican E of that day could NOT stop him.
ping...
Per JR:
“If Ted Cruz decides to run for the Presidency and he appears to be the strongest conservative running, I will support him to the hilt.”
He doesn't get ruffled and he doesn't back down. There is no implied apology when he speak or asks some democrat pol a question. All demorat candidates today require that their opponents be defferential to them. And for some damn reason the McCains and Romneys of the party always complied. Cruz doesn't do that. He's all in, all the time. That's the hook!
I agree with this analysis and firmly believe that Senator Cruz is natural born citizen and eligible to be President. He cannot be denied a spot on the ballot unless and until someone with standing challenges his eligibility.
Should that happen, the chances of the case being heard by the Supreme Court approach zero, but if by some quirk they do, they will rule in his favor. Either way, Senator Cruz’s candidacy will drive a stake through the heart of the Vattel, Jus Solis, Assertion by Freeper post, and the other various nonsense put forward by the usual suspects. Often entertaining, though.
“In other words, anyone who is a citizen at birth — as opposed to someone who becomes a citizen later (“naturalizes”) or who isn’t a citizen at all — can be president. “
Puerto Ricans are citizens at birth, and naturalized.
The ‘becomes a citizen later’ is a crook of you-know-what.
If being a citizen AT birth is all you need to be then the word natural in ‘natural born Citizen’ is unnecessary. It would have sufficed to say ‘born Citizen’.
This ‘born at citizen’ = natural born Citizen is a lie. A poor one at that.
In a Constitutional Republic - if the Constitution is ignored what is left? The answer is nothing.
Here's part of what I mean about "being an effective speaker": Reagan had probably the same amount of scare thrown at the Republicans by big media but he was able to sooth their fears. I remember being a little embarrassed at the things he had to say while doing so. To me it was borderline dishonesty but that is what you have to do. Remember, conservatives are a minority and once Cruz starts to campaign he might not seem to be the Cruz you remember all the time if he needs to attract the know-nothings.
Respectfully, you and they are wrong.
NBC is rather specific, not elastic.
Levin admitted he had not studied this in all seriousness to have an informed opinion.
NBC is defined by the Cato Institute and many others the same way Levin defines it and Ted Cruz defines it and the controlling law cited in the article defines it.
Nobody said NBC doesn’t matter. All have said it matters and is defined as, a citizen when born, as opposed to a citizen later by naturalization. And by statute is defined based on at least one parent who is an American citizen of a certain age and certain years of residency in the United States (among other possible statutory definitions), which Ted Cruz clearly meets through his mother, and which is NOT based on whether the mother gives birth while temporarily over a boundary line.
Others refuse to accept that as the legal definition and do little but ride their horse 24/7.
No need to mischaracterize us.
What specifically does the Constitution require?
A Poison Pill...
“If being a citizen AT birth is all you need to be then the word natural in ‘natural born Citizen’ is unnecessary. It would have sufficed to say ‘born Citizen’.”
No, English dominates that illogical conclusion.
English says a “born citizen” is a citizen that has been born. Well, no duh. Can’t be a citizen if not born. So, one would never say, “a born citizen”.
English also says since there is a “naturalized citizen”, it is proper to distinguish between the two by using the phrase “natural born citizen”.
There is nothing more to the Constitution than that.
Respectfully, is that your considered legal opinion as a constitutional scholar/lawyer?
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NBC is WAS rather specific, not elastic.
Fixed it.
Dozens of lower courts have ruled on this NBC issue. The SCOTUS has confimred their rulings by not hearing any appeals.
A NBC = Naturalized Citizen and vice versa.
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