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Putin plans Russian delegation to sway Congress on Syria strike
CBS News / The Associated Press ^ | September 2, 2013

Posted on 09/02/2013 11:05:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

President Vladimir Putin hopes to send a delegation of Russian lawmakers to the United States to discuss the situation in Syria with members of Congress, the Interfax news agency reported Monday.

Russian legislators Valentina Matvienko and Sergei Naryshkin proposed that to Putin, saying polls have shown little support among Americans for armed intervention in Syria to punish President Bashar Assad's regime for an alleged chemical weapons attack.

The lawmakers said maybe U.S. legislators can be persuaded to take a "balanced stance" on the issue....

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Russia
KEYWORDS: chemicalwarfare; congress; obama; putin; russia; syria; wmd
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To: NonValueAdded
Obama will talk to his fags, the Russian delegation will talk to ours ;)

That about sums it up. Putin was insulted by Zero and it's payback time. And I'm guessing but Putin is an odds on favorite to kick Zero's butt in just about anything.

51 posted on 09/03/2013 2:21:26 AM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: PieterCasparzen

“Unfortunately, the US government, over a century ago, fell under the virtual complete control of the Anglo-American financial oligarchs, better known as new world order. That article even leaves out what NWO does not want revealed, which is that muslim terrorism is the creation of Western intelligence at the behest of NWO.”


The NWO fantasy is largely promoted by Russia itself, with its helpers in men like Alex Jones and others. It’s pure projection of their own guilt and actions. In fact, world terrorism is largely a creation of Moscow, with many of the world’s top terrorists and leaders being directed from the Kremlin. Even Al’Zawahiri, Al’Qaeda’s number two (now number one), was alleged by men like Alexander Litvinenko (now deceased) with having been trained by the FSB.

All I see in the middle east, then, is a continuation of the cold war which never ended, since we failed to bring to justice the killers of the “former” Soviet Union who are given a place of honor in that corrupt country. I am forced with all my sense of reason to oppose anything that benefits Russia’s long term strategy, and benefits American survival.


52 posted on 09/03/2013 2:31:17 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Conspiracy Guy

“So you’re in agreement with 0bama, McCain, and Graham? Do you believe that any of those 3 are trying to protect Israel?”


Obama, McCain and Graham do not know what our goals ought to be, and therefore anything they do will always miss the mark on what should be done.

But just so you know, Russia, Iran and Syria are not trying to protect Israel. Israel is actually a barrier between Russia and dominance in the middle east, hence that old bear’s hands in creating anti-Israel sentiment across the world for decades. It is not a coincidence that the international communist movement, and its useful idiots in the west, have always sided with the Palestinians. Russia made a bet to energize fundamentalist Islam and use it for their own aims, seeing that there were more positives for it than negatives.


53 posted on 09/03/2013 2:34:14 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: PieterCasparzen

Confused sentence fix: *and to support with all my might that which benefits American survival.”

To replace: “and benefits American survival.”


54 posted on 09/03/2013 2:36:08 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
All those are basically internal, and the MSM is working overtime to keep the public in the dark. But, if Obama decides to demonstrate his manhood by lobbing a rocket into Syria, and the Russians retaliate by attacking a ship, or a dirty bomb goes off in NYC, then the MSM will have a hard time keeping this news out of the public eye.

There will be those who will rally around Obama if this happens, but if things spread and cannot be contained, people will eventually realize that Obama started it all. It will be worse if it all came from a “false flag” operation. Which I am certain it is.

55 posted on 09/03/2013 2:37:09 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: 1035rep

I don’t know the latest polls, but I think it was 9% of us do not want us in Syria. Couple that with the fact that Putin, at least overtly is

1. Against the MB
2. The only one who seems to be ready to protect Christians
3. KNows our politics and if he sends somes savvy Russians over her who speak the language, they will persuade Americans to keep us out of Syria.
4. Is a rather popular guy with the media world wide.
5. Is heads above our POTUS in every way.

Who would have thought. Reagan and Jerry FAlwell are turning in their graves right now.


56 posted on 09/03/2013 3:14:47 AM PDT by nikos1121 (“To err is human; to forgive, divine.” Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
The NWO fantasy is largely promoted by Russia itself,

The USSR/KGB could not fabricate an NWO "fantasy" that is based on facts of history that happened during the 1800's and earlier.

Regarding Yale Skull and Bones, it's membership could only be guessed at until fairly recently, when the daughter of a member made public some membership lists she had inherited. The actual Skull and Bones official membership book is certainly not a fantasy, it's official records of the organization.

The fact that FDR's grandfather, Warren Delano, was in opium trade is not a fantasy but a historical fact, that again, Russia and the KGB would have no control over.

with its helpers in men like Alex Jones and others.

Again, European elite finance was widely "not liked" in America in the 1800's, long before Alex Jones was born. August Belmont was a known representative of Rothschild interests in the US - this is historical fact. What has recently come out - as a historical fact - is that George Peabody, arguably the most powerful banker of his day, was also financed by the Rothschilds. George Peabody was referred to by Queen Victoria as "my favorite American" (historical fact) and there is a statue of George in the UK (once again - fact). Yet during his lifetime, Peabody was not widely known to be "fronting" for the British banking interests.

Other facts, like what businesses were at 120 Broadway in Manhattan during the Bolshevik Revolution, and actual corporate records of those businesses, etc., are certainly not fantasy. The records of facilities of Western companies like Ford inside the USSR are not fantasy either; they're just never mentioned in the media or in schools.

Key events from which it's not too difficult to draw some general yet inescapable conclusions from were reported in the New York Times around the time of WWI, such as President Wilson lauding the Bolshevik Revolution, and a group of Wall Street financiers travelling to Russia during the Revolution masquerading as a Red Cross mission. There are historical records of a long trail of Wall Street trade and investment in the USSR from 1917, through the 5-year plans of Stalin, through WWII - right up to the present day. Again, this comes from historical record, and it does not help to perpetuate the myth of communism being "against" capitalism. Why would communists want it revealed that they were not "for the proletariat" - but they were in fact functioning as overlords for the entire nation of Russia on behalf of monopolist capitalists ?

Communists nowhere ever publicly claim or admit to being fronts for capitalism - not even in America.

And yet - Armand Hammer was a billionaire capitalist of Occidental Petroleum who did extensive business for the bulk of the 20th century with the USSR - and his father Julius was a founder of the Communist Party USA. The schools and media of America simply neglect to mention things like this - ever.

So for communists and / or the current Russian regime, the more NWO is believed by people, the more the entire 20th century for Russia - and all of communism around the world - is seen as a big lie, where monopolists simply have a captive state and a captive market. While hopefully someday a Russian government will admit that the USSR was a creature of new world order, I don't think they're quite ready yet. Certainly the American government and elites are not ready to admit anything yet.

Antony Sutton (Stanford University) has done extensive research of source documents and found out many facts that are just too difficult for many to accept, but they're facts.

Here is an excellent video interview:

The Best Enemies Money Can Buy -- Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany.
57 posted on 09/03/2013 3:22:48 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Then attack Tehran not Syria,nice to play Ass hat Obamas games with Americas Sons and daughters.


58 posted on 09/03/2013 3:37:38 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: knarf

Not with a-holes like Mccain running interference for the Muslim in the White House.


59 posted on 09/03/2013 3:40:56 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack
Mint Press news ^ | August 29, 2013 | Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3061869/posts


60 posted on 09/03/2013 3:53:21 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
I am forced with all my sense of reason to oppose anything that benefits Russia’s long term strategy, and benefits American survival.

The fact that you hate America's survival is coming through loud and clear. Until and unless you can get another of your al qaeda cohorts in here to help you triangulate on the opposition to aiding the terrorists - delphi technique - you're SOL.

61 posted on 09/03/2013 3:56:09 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pootie is going to show obama his “file” and then he will threaten to release it to fox news and The Blaze.


62 posted on 09/03/2013 4:09:57 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: The Westerner

I can’t figure out why Israel is supporting Obama’s madness.


63 posted on 09/03/2013 4:16:17 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

since McQueeg enjoyed group-hugging the NVA, he should no qualms about hosting a US Congressional beer summit with the Russians

Cindy can provide the beer


64 posted on 09/03/2013 4:49:32 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: knarf

and barry going to St Petersburg, publicly dissing and snubbing Putin, and setting up a meeting with Russian homosexual activists is not interfering with Russia’s sovereignty?


65 posted on 09/03/2013 4:52:09 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: jersey117

maybe because an limited symbolic attack on Syria that makes Assad a martyr or a hero to the Iranians draws the jihad toward USA?

if Syria and its allies retaliate against Israel it will be because obama incited it and the Israelis somehow think the US will back them up when they respond

fools


66 posted on 09/03/2013 4:56:30 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would love it if they had solid proof that it was a workplace accident by the rebels not a government action that caused this chemical attack. That’s my suspicion.


67 posted on 09/03/2013 5:00:15 AM PDT by McGruff (Strange times are these in which we live...)
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To: ballplayer
Speaking of McCain. He was so right on Libya.

Not.

68 posted on 09/03/2013 5:02:25 AM PDT by McGruff (Strange times are these in which we live...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

———This is all surreal.-——

This is funny as hell....... Putin is doing an end run around Obama. He is bypassing the weak and ineffectual President by going to a Congress to whom he can make his arguments.

I don’t think he will succeed, but applaud his effort


69 posted on 09/03/2013 5:07:04 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: gleeaikin

courtesy ping, gleeaikin for your pings ... and Thanks!


70 posted on 09/03/2013 5:09:10 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: dagogo redux

The whole story should be available in FR archives. I made a paper copy of the FR report and have used it numerous times as a reference. The entire scenario goes back years even if not covered in the subject FR posting.


71 posted on 09/03/2013 5:53:19 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“It’s revealing and tells me that Russia is impotent in stopping us if we decide to strike, contrary to all the people warning about Russia’s military.”

Or...

Since Obama screwed Russia over so badly in Libya with the “NoFly” Close Air Support Zone, Putin is determined to not let that happen again.

He KNOWS Obama is a weak, spineless wonk, and thinks he won’t risk a confrontation with Russia over this.

And after what happened Friday, shortly after telling Russian ships in the Med to prepare for a “Severe Confrontation”, it seems he may be right.

You’ll note that Russian rhetoric on this seems to be attacking Obama’s ego directly, and NOT the United States in general? They KNOW he’s a clinical narcissist, and are using that.


72 posted on 09/03/2013 6:49:34 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: knarf

Why?? Democrats do it ALL THE TIME..

Or have you forgotten how Kerry and Pelosi went to Syria seeking help in killing US troops during The War Against Bush?


73 posted on 09/03/2013 6:50:56 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

The Russians tried to warn us about the Tsarnaevs, we didn’t listen.

They are trying to warn us again that helping Al Qaeda in Syria is not a good policy.


74 posted on 09/03/2013 6:52:11 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: nikos1121

When the ex-Soviet KGB Prez of Russia sounds much saner than the Peace Prize President of the US, you really know we could be in BIG TROUBLE....


75 posted on 09/03/2013 7:05:54 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Russia and America are in the same boat. Despite your eagerness to oppose anything that benefits Russia’s long term strategy, it would be unwise to sink the boat and destroy America as well just to spite Russia.

If current demographic trends continue, the number of Sunni Muslims will soon outnumber Protestants, Catholics, and Eastern Orthodox believers combined. They’re out-breeding us. If the Lord tarries, the Sunnis can take over Europe within 2 to 3 decades simply by having more kids than the native non-Muslim population.

Since the Sunnis are the majority sect (over 85% of Muslims globally), the Shiites (less than 15%) can’t counterbalance that for long. The Sunnis and the Shiites are both evil, at this point the Sunnis are more dangerous because there are more of them. If Assad falls, the Muslim Brotherhood (Sunnis) will take over Syria, and then the disparity of power between the Sunni and Shiite sects will become more apparent.

Once the Sunnis out-breeds the native populations of UK and France and takes over the government of those two countries (give them 2 or 3 decades), it gains access to their nuclear stockpile. When combined with the nukes they already have in Pakistan, if the Sunnis (led by Turkey most probably) choose to re-establish the Caliphate at that time and declare jihad on the entire non-Muslim world, it will be devastating. Unlike the West that is plagued by the Left and by political correctness, the Muslims will have no hesitation using the nukes they acquired on the cities of the infidels.

A global Sunni Islamic government benefits neither America nor Russia, nor any other non-Islamic country.


76 posted on 09/03/2013 8:46:32 AM PDT by istandwithsarah (Game on!)
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To: jersey117

I have family there. But I think pressure is internal re: political parties, peaceniks and hawks, unknown threats/deals undercutting Israel by US, etc. Even with my loved ones there (who view these external problems with a side eye), I wished she would have taken defensive action to lower Iran’s threat when Rummy was warning awhile ago. Honestly, I feel it’s time to brush up on Ayn Rand’s explanation of nihilists in Atlas Shrugged. Twas the ONLY way that the complete collapse of rational discourse makes sense to me: the concrete bound mentality who yells to John Galt, “Do something to fix it!!” And he shrugs, “Deregulate business.” Oh so clear. No, these glassy eyed politicians won’t listen to reason anymore.


77 posted on 09/04/2013 1:00:18 AM PDT by The Westerner
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