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To: Uncle Chip

“He didn’t become an American citizen until his mother filed the necessary papers with the U.S. embassy in Canada according to the law.”

Um, no. He was a citizen at birth and she simply had to file that the birth happened, just like your mother had to do. The only difference was the process to do so.

By your illogical reasoning, you weren’t a citizen, either, until your birth certificate had been properly recorded. So, I guess you are not a natural born citizen as there was paperwork to do.

I have two siblings that are foreign born and both are natural born citizens and my parents also had additional paperwork to file. Big deal.


158 posted on 09/03/2013 3:11:39 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: CodeToad

Read the instructions again. You don’t even become a citizen when the paperwork is started. It just begins the process.

If his mother failed to file the paperwork he would have remained just a Canadian citizen.

If she filed the paperwork when he was two years old, then what country was he a citizen of at the age of one???Hmmmm

And what country was he a citizen of at birth???? Hmmmm

Until the paperwork is accepted and certified no foreign born person becomes a citizen — and certainly not at birth.

My birth certificate and everyone else’s in this country is issued the day of birth and the place of birth.

Cruz had a Canadian birth certificate on the day of his birth.


161 posted on 09/03/2013 3:36:08 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: CodeToad

Here is what the law has to say about it:The laws as described below by the U.S. State Department say your opinion of your experiences and your resulting conclusions are wrong.

U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7
Consular Affairs
7 FAM 1130 Page 1 of 69
UNCLASSIFIED (U)
7 FAM 1130
ACQUISITION OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH ABROAD TO U.S. CITIZEN PARENT
(CT:CON-474; 08-19-2013) (Office of Origin: CA/OCS/L)
7 FAM 1131 BASIS FOR DETERMINATION OF ACQUISITION
7 FAM 1131.1 Authority
7 FAM 1131.1-1 Federal Statutes
(CT:CON-349; 12-13-2010)
a. Acquisition of U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to a U.S. citizen parent is governed by Federal statutes. Only insofar as Congress has provided in such statutes, does the United States follow the traditionally Roman law principle of “jus sanguinis” under which citizenship is acquired by descent (see 7 FAM 1111 a(2)).
b. Section 104(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1104(a)) gives the Secretary of State the responsibility for the administration and enforcement of all nationality laws relating to “the determination of nationality of a person not in the United States.”

….]

7 FAM 1131.2 Prerequisites for Transmitting U.S. Citizenship
(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)
Since 1790, there have been two prerequisites for transmitting U.S. citizenship to children born abroad:
(1) At least one natural parent must have been a U.S. citizen when the child was born. The only exception is for a posthumous child.
(2) The U.S. citizen parent(s) must have resided or been physically present in the United States for the time required by the law in effect when the child was born.

Note how the acquisition of U.S. Citizenship is goverened by Federal statutes. There is direct proof the acquisition of U.S. Citizenship was “goverened” and therefore authorized by manmade laws, making the resulting citizenship an artificial form of citizenship, which is the exact opposite in meaning from a natural citizenship. See the legal definitions for what is natural versus what is artificial and legal status.

Also note how there are “Prerequisites for Transmitting U.S. Citizenship” governed by the manmade and artificial statutes of law, which no natural born citizen requires for acquisition of U.S. Citizenship.

Now who do you expect us to recognize as having merit to their statements, you and your opinions of your experiences or the black and white letters of the law?


162 posted on 09/03/2013 3:42:38 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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