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Obama’s Syria Debacle Inflicts Historic Damage on America
Commentary ^ | 9-10-13 | Peter Wehner

Posted on 09/16/2013 7:09:19 AM PDT by SJackson

Max Boot does an excellent job explaining why the new Russian proposal on removing chemical weapons from Syria is almost certainly a mirage. Not surprisingly, however, President Obama is eager to embrace it. After all, doing so will avoid Congress rejecting his request to use military strikes against Syria–and the de facto collapse of his presidency.

But this will come at quite a high cost. Russia is now establishing itself as the preeminent power in the region, having displaced the United States. American prestige and credibility lie in ruins. President Obama has succeeded in undermining the moderate rebels he promised to assist. He has strengthened the murderous anti-American regime he declared he wanted gone. A despot who used chemical weapons and committed, in the words of Secretary of State John Kerry, a “moral obscenity” will now escape any punishment (which after all was the stated purpose of Obama’s threats to strike Syria). And Iran and Hezbollah, having (along with Russia) come to the aid of Assad, will emerge from this whole thing in a much stronger position.

It is hard to overstate how much of a debacle Syria has been for America. The damage we have sustained is deep and durable. The balance of power has shifted dramatically against America. It may take decades for us to undo the damage, if even that is possible.

This period may well turn out to be a hinge moment in the Middle East–and one of the worst diplomatic chapters in modern American history. Such is the cost to a nation when a community organizer is promoted to the job of commander in chief.


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To: SJackson

The Russian hegemony, vastly expanded, and with Israel now more isolated than ever.

The only counterbalance in the region now is the Saudi royal family, and they are soon to be under siege. Iran, with the aid of Russian logistical and technical support, has eyes set on finally subduing Iraq and possibly annexing parts of that land, as well and a sort of bridge to Bashar al-Assad’s Syria and the eastern Mediterranean. Once the last US and UN troops depart Afghanistan, the hegemony spreads to the east, knocking on the front door of India, and possibly China’s back door.

Turkey and Egypt remain question marks. If they should both finally turn to secular leadership, they both have opportunity to become viable players in the region.

The experiment in trying to bring a kind of Jeffersonian democracy to Muslim countries should be declared over, and the research paper written, with the conclusion that representative government and Islam are mutual exclusives.

Islam is by its very nature only functional as a tyranny, with an oligarchy at the top, the Noble Islamic Gentlemen, then the vast class of the subjugated inferiors, including the entire female gender, who have accepted this superiority of authority by the Noble Islamic Gentlemen, the Dhimmi, and all the others, the Kufir or “infidels”, fit only to be slain as some kind of animal, should they sully the presence of the Noble Islamic Gentlemen.


21 posted on 09/16/2013 7:44:41 AM PDT by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: SJackson

I’m pretty sure the Obama clown at the rodeo would make a better president than the Obam clown in the White House.


22 posted on 09/16/2013 7:59:27 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: henkster
"Most Americans are trying to live in a make-believe world where they don’t have to make hard decisions or sacrifices. But that world doesn’t really exist, and when Americans are faced with that fact, they go squeal like little babies to big daddy government to “fix it.”"

Absolutely right.

The most basic evil fundamental to Western decadence is mendacity.

The Americans trying to live in their nonexistent make-believe world cannot be honest with themselves--let alone anyone else.

American "journalism" is nothing but propaganda--replete with lies, distortions, half-truths, cover-ups. Truth for its own sake is not even a consideration. Its purpose is "molding public opinion"--a confession of mendacity.

And most Americans not only tolerate this but actually find joy and comfort in it.

Throughout the Western world, including the USA, people are abused for speaking the truth--often in deference to some "higher morality", as though there were a higher morality than truth--truth for its own sake.

The stupid will find joy and comfort in their delusions temporarily, but ultimately truth always smashes delusions and the results are not joyful.

Western Civilization began with sage tales of self-deception, delusion, denial, and hubris, leading inexorably to tragedy. If the Americans--and other Westerners--don't wake up soon to the realization that their highly seductive make-believe world is the same folly that brought down Oedipus and Jocasta et al., they will not be able to escape the fate that follows hubris and denial--and they will have no one to blame but themselves.

23 posted on 09/16/2013 8:00:04 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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To: henkster
Just go through the day, and see how many examples of incompetence you have to deal with.

I was in Home Depot on Saturday. I was looking for potting soil. I asked an employee to direct me to their bags of dirt. She got the most incredibly befuddled look on her face, began blubbering and stammering. You would have though I had just asked her how to change out the nuclear fuel on the Space Shuttle. I finally gave up and went and bought my dirt someplace else. An Obama voter for sure.


24 posted on 09/16/2013 8:06:30 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Savage Beast

As you were typing your comment, I was typing comment 48 in the thread below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3067075/posts

We’re pretty much on the same wavelength.


25 posted on 09/16/2013 8:09:54 AM PDT by henkster (democrats will sacrifice the lives of our servicemen so 0bama doesn't look bad.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Yeah, but at Homo Depot she would have no problem showing you to the “gay marriage” aisle.


26 posted on 09/16/2013 8:11:20 AM PDT by henkster (democrats will sacrifice the lives of our servicemen so 0bama doesn't look bad.)
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To: Savage Beast

Are you suggesting that Americans should have followed 0bama into the strategic blunder of bombing on behalf of Al Qaeda in Syria?

Or, are you suggesting that having elected an idiot, Americans are responsible for idiocy?

I agree with the latter, but not the former. What say you?


27 posted on 09/16/2013 8:11:54 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Why haven't we heard from the 30 Benghazi survivors?)
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To: alloysteel

I don’t think the Russians will gain much of a hegemony over the Middle East though. My recollection is that their hegemony in Afghanistan left a bad taste in their mouths.

The muzzies like to play their own game.


28 posted on 09/16/2013 8:14:00 AM PDT by henkster (democrats will sacrifice the lives of our servicemen so 0bama doesn't look bad.)
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To: Savage Beast

The American people put their collective foot down and cried “no more useless wars”, and, for once, their representatives listened. This isn’t weakness; it’s government working the way the Framers intended.


29 posted on 09/16/2013 8:17:02 AM PDT by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: Little Ray

Why do you think it doesn’t matter that the Russians now dominate a region that is still the main producer of energy for the world but especially for Europe, Or that they are allied with the Chinese. It is more than symbolic that the Chinese sent ships to “observe.” the situation in the Med. Obama is withdrawing at the same time that he is shrinking and otherwise undermining the US Forces to 1940 levels.


30 posted on 09/16/2013 8:18:07 AM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Little Ray

Does that mean we’ll take our toys and go home and stop trying to be the world’s policeman, fire brigade and social worker?

If so, something positive may have come from all of this...


Post of the day. Or, in the immortal words of Fonzie, “exactamundo!”


31 posted on 09/16/2013 8:23:20 AM PDT by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: SJackson

There’s a group of folks I call the perfect voter group. For their loyalty at the polls they have incrementally been bestowed and elevated about the more deserving, educated and civilized with legal privilege.

They are Americas Royalty.

We expect certain things from this group...and they never, ever disappoint us. There’s nothing they can’t corrupt or foul...for they can surely break an anvil.

At present we are all under the thumb of THEM.


32 posted on 09/16/2013 8:24:45 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: steelhead_trout

I’m gonna butt in, if you don’t mind. I think the American people were right in the narrow sense to put their collective foot down and say “no” to this ill-advised military venture. In that narrow sense, it was not weakness.

But in the broader sense, the American people, or majority thereof, really screwed up by not demanding and electing better public servants than Barack Hussein 0bama. The real problem, and real weakness isn’t saying “no” to a bad idea, it’s putting in office someone who routinely comes up with bad ideas. Unless the deliberate erosion of American influence is the strategy, 0bama has no middle east strategy. The point of the original article is that 0bama has seriously damaged our international interests.

My opinion is that the American people are ultimately responsible for this because we elected this guy. Not once, but twice. A national body politic of rational, competent citizens doesn’t do that.


33 posted on 09/16/2013 8:28:10 AM PDT by henkster (democrats will sacrifice the lives of our servicemen so 0bama doesn't look bad.)
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To: henkster
True. Not much to disagree with. But if one party offers a bad candidate, and the other party offers (twice) a worse candidate, what choice do voters have? Obama isn't a disease, he is merely a symptom. The real disease is the degeneracy of our political system, and its inability to generate good leaders in times of crisis. After all, the election year 2008 was also the year of our biggest post-war economic crisis, and who did the American people get as candidates? McLame and Zero. Sad.
34 posted on 09/16/2013 8:32:45 AM PDT by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: steelhead_trout
McLame and Zero. Sad.

Even worse, Zero was the BETTER of the two.

35 posted on 09/16/2013 8:33:43 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: steelhead_trout

And the degeneracy of the political system is a reflection of the degeneracy of our society. We have a system that is currently designed to do the following:

1. It emphasizes “politics” over “policy.” Politics is what you do to get elected and stay in office. Policy is what you do once you are there. People who can play the game of politics get public office. They don’t have to know anything about policy. And don’t, except as it serves politics.

2. The public doesn’t really want “policy” anyway, as good policy requires tough decisions, the hardest of which is to say “no” to groups of people who need to hear that word but aren’t accustomed to it.

3. So we have 536 people in Washington who will try to give people what they want, instead of doing what’s right. Anyone else just doesn’t get there.

4. As long as people think the government can “fix” their problems and give them freebies, they will keep voting for politics over policy.

So, instead of demanding a field of candidates who will do what’s right, we get a field of political hacks who are just trying to say what 51% want to hear. The best ones, like 0bama, know how to lie about telling people what they want to hear, and then do what they want to do. They survive by playing groups of people against each other.

So, as American exceptionalism died, our political system died with it.


36 posted on 09/16/2013 8:43:32 AM PDT by henkster (democrats will sacrifice the lives of our servicemen so 0bama doesn't look bad.)
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37 posted on 09/16/2013 8:49:53 AM PDT by TexasCajun (Creepy-Ass Cracka -- Don't Call Me Cracker)
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To: SJackson
"American prestige and credibility lie in ruins."

The author must believe that sending brave, young, patriotic Americans out to die in some Muslim country is worth building or maintaining "American prestige and credibility"!

Personally, especially when it comes to the Middle-East, I don't give a ... (expletive)! I for one am tired of using American lives as fodder for the cannons of American politicians or Neo-cons that love getting involved in foreign "WARS".

38 posted on 09/16/2013 9:02:19 AM PDT by ImpBill (Not a Democrat nor a Republican - I'm an American and I want my country back!)
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To: ImpBill

Every war since Reagan left office has been at the behest of our Saudi Masters.


39 posted on 09/16/2013 9:03:07 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: allendale
"The neocons certainly are howling."

See my #38. GMTA.

40 posted on 09/16/2013 9:04:33 AM PDT by ImpBill (Not a Democrat nor a Republican - I'm an American and I want my country back!)
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