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ANF [Allegheny National Forest]: We’re Closed
Warren Times-Observer ^ | October 4, 2013 | Ben Klein

Posted on 10/04/2013 11:11:51 AM PDT by Rodamala

Planning to take advantage of the beautiful fall weather with a trip to the Allegheny National Forest?

Think again.

"We're in the process of closing down our campgrounds and developed facilities, due to the lapse in funding," Allegheny National Forest Supervisor Erin Connelly said on Thursday. "Where there are gates, they will be closed."


Times Observer photo by Josh Cotton
Closed
Rimrock overlook area in the Allegheny National Forest has been closed “due to the lapse in federal
government funding,” according to a sign posted at the gate. “The facility will reopen once Congress
restores funding.”


(Excerpt) Read more at timesobserver.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barrycades; govtshutdown; nationalparks; openairmemorials
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1 posted on 10/04/2013 11:11:51 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

Like they can really stop someone from using the rest of the forest.


2 posted on 10/04/2013 11:13:46 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Rodamala

Anyone with a complaint about this should call 1-800-318-2596 (1-800-F**KYO) to complain.


3 posted on 10/04/2013 11:15:08 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: Rodamala
Screw em!
Ohiopyle State park is open.


4 posted on 10/04/2013 11:18:20 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Rodamala
So is Cape Canaveral Seashore....

..utterly ridiculous...what are they going to do if you're caught walking on the beach?

5 posted on 10/04/2013 11:19:12 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: Rodamala
Here's something from a blog written by someone who actually runs campgrounds/concessions at federal parks (not sure if he has the contract for Allegheny, though).

From our shutdown order:

Congress has not provided appropriations for fiscal year 2014.  Pursuant to applicable legal requirements in the Antideficiency Act and Attorney General opinions addressing agency operations in the absence of appropriations, the Forest Service is unable to administer federally-owned recreation facilities.  Consequently these facilities will be shut down and posted accordingly with signs provided, with gates locked where they exist, restrooms locked, and water systems shut down.   Visitors in occupied sites would be given 48 hours to vacate, with the area shut down as the last visitor leaves, not to exceed 48 hours.

In other words, we pay all the bills, run the parks in an independent manner, have no USFS people stationed in the parks, but we have to shut down because the Forest Service can no longer "administer" the facilities.  Huh?  What day-to-day administration is necessary.  Remember that the USFS itself did not think their presence was necessary, originally confirming on Tuesday that we would stay open as we had in all past shutdowns.

We often go weeks and months in these facilities without ever seeing a USFS manager.  The USFS considers it so important to have staff available to "administer" these facilities that none of their recreation personnel work on weekends or on holidays, by far and away the busiest and most difficult times in these facilities.

PS-  I see the part about the Attorney General.  Did Eric Holder decide to close us?  Doesn't he know that poor and minorities disproportionately use public vs. private recreation?  Isn't that a disparate impact issue in closing us?

First Explanation in Writing As To Why USFS Is Closing Privately-Funded Parks. Coyote Blog (Dispatches from a Small Business), Warren Meyer, October 3, 2013.
6 posted on 10/04/2013 11:19:27 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Rodamala

Obama trying to defund the fall foliage LOL


7 posted on 10/04/2013 11:19:30 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: riverrunner

So... if they are blocking off the access to the parking lot, I suppose that you can park at the gate and walk in... but what if I am in a wheelchair? ADA lawsuit?


8 posted on 10/04/2013 11:20:00 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

Harry made the Senate dems vote down the funds to open it yesterday.

Story didn’t mention that of course LOL!


9 posted on 10/04/2013 11:20:11 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Rodamala
The forest is closed? The whole forest? Is closed? It reminds me of "My Cousin Vinny:"
...the only store you could buy a new suit in has got the flu. Got that? The whole store got the flu...
10 posted on 10/04/2013 11:22:00 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Shut 'er down and leave it.)
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To: mrsmith

Resist!

11 posted on 10/04/2013 11:25:05 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: 1rudeboy
According to wiki;

"The Antideficiency Act (ADA), Pub.L. 97–258, 96 Stat. 923, is legislation enacted by the United States Congress to prevent the incurring of obligations or the making of expenditures (outlays) in excess of amounts available in appropriations or funds. The law was initially enacted in 1884, with major amendments occurring in 1950 (64 Stat. 765) and 1982 (96 Stat. 923). It is now codified at 31 U.S.C. § 1341. The ADA prohibits the federal government from entering into a contract that is not "fully funded" because doing so would obligate the government in the absence of an appropriation adequate to the needs of the contract. This Act of Congress is sometimes known as Section 3679 of the Revised Statutes, as amended."

AND

"and Attorney General opinions ...

are combined to put up a barrier.

Thus;

an opinion and a fear of assuming more obligation is what is shutting these parks down.


From what I see and understand ... no LAW, no enforceable law ... is in play.


GO

TO

THE

PARK, y'all ...

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12 posted on 10/04/2013 11:33:56 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Rodamala

Do the bears know this?


13 posted on 10/04/2013 11:36:46 AM PDT by Phillyred
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To: Phillyred

We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in the national forests, we shall fight on the national memorials, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our constitution, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender!


14 posted on 10/04/2013 11:39:34 AM PDT by Phillyred
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To: knarf

If the employees are not allowed to do work, who locked the gate?


15 posted on 10/04/2013 11:42:37 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Phillyred

Do Pennsylvanians know this(the ones not from Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Scranton)? Could be some trouble.


16 posted on 10/04/2013 11:44:13 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: AppyPappy
anf if WE take them down, who'll put 'em back up again?

What if a family were to drive up to a gate, pull the barriers aside ... and not enter ... but picnic outside on the entrance ... would someone come along and put the barrier back up ?

17 posted on 10/04/2013 11:53:28 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: 1rudeboy
In other words, we pay all the bills, run the parks in an independent manner, have no USFS people stationed in the parks, but we have to shut down because the Forest Service can no longer "administer" the facilities.

It's worse than that. The company that runs the campgrounds for the National Parks and Forests in the SW reports being forced to foot the bill for the Barrycades that threaten to put them out of business.

18 posted on 10/04/2013 11:56:42 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Rodamala

Go open any gate near enough to you and encourage others to do the same.


19 posted on 10/04/2013 12:05:59 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Guenevere

.utterly ridiculous...what are they going to do if you’re caught walking on the beach?

Who is going to catch you? Their shut down right?


20 posted on 10/04/2013 12:19:36 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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