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To: pfony1

Our Constitution assumes that votes on complex issues will be preceded by negotiations, but there is no Constitutional requirement for our legislature to “negotiate” in good faith. Or otherwise. How could there be?

I am very interested to learn what you mean by your phrase “...won’t fight an engaged battle...” and your phrase “There NEVER was a real battle over Obamacare in the CR.”


I am referring to political battles. McConnell preemptively surrender on cloture and dumped everything on the House. Boehner passed some bills but he did not keep his troops in line or focus his message on the Dems until it was too late. POTUS threatened default several times. Boehner did NOTHING.

I expect the GOP to fight like Dems for our constitutional rights. That means smacking Reid over the head with the Vitter amendment until he cries uncle. That means actually fighting for an individual mandate delay in any deal. Asking for it in negotiations and going radio silent isn’t good enough. That’s not fighting to win. If the Dems refuse then smack them with some populism relentlessly. Lip service isn’t good enough.

Obama sold the ACA as a $900 billion program. It’s now $1.8 trillion or whatever. The House has every right to put the breaks on a program that grossly over budget. They had/have no intention of doing so.


268 posted on 10/16/2013 10:07:33 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

OK then, here’s the new battleground:

Government closure “crisis” in a few months.
Debt limit ceiling “crisis” in a few months.
Budget “talks” to be “held” in the meantime as a way to lull Republicans into thinking that “progress” is being made.

Just WHAT should our GOP leaders do NOW?

To “prepare” the battlefield....
To mobilize the people in advance of the battle —
— without any help at all from the newspimps...

Hmmmm...?

How about a Website that presents every ObamaCare horror story we see? Thousands and thousands of failures...

How about a commercial with an actor who looks like Harry Reid and an actress who looks like Nancy Pelosi laughing and laughing about how the “stupid kids” who voted for them will be so over-taxed by Obamacare, that they will never be able to afford to buy a house or even a “new” car?

“Ha-ha! The kids killed their own American Dreams, all by themselves! Stupid kids! But “loyal Democrats! Ha-ha!”

What else should be done to persuade the majority of Americans that there is something rotten in the Spite House?


271 posted on 10/16/2013 10:37:18 AM PDT by pfony1
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To: lodi90

OK then, here’s the new battleground:

Government closure “crisis” in a few months.
Debt limit ceiling “crisis” in a few months.
Budget “talks” to be “held” in the meantime as a way to lull Republicans into thinking that “progress” is being made.

Just WHAT should our GOP leaders do NOW?

To “prepare” the battlefield....
To mobilize the people in advance of the battle —
— without any help at all from the newspimps...

Hmmmm...?

How about a Website that presents every ObamaCare horror story we see? Thousands and thousands of failures...

How about a commercial with an actor who looks like Harry Reid and an actress who looks like Nancy Pelosi laughing and laughing about how the “stupid kids” who voted for them will be so over-taxed by Obamacare, that they will never be able to afford to buy a house or even a “new” car?

“Ha-ha! The kids killed their own American Dreams, all by themselves! Stupid kids! But “loyal Democrats! Ha-ha!”

What else should be done to persuade the majority of Americans that there is something rotten in the Spite House?


272 posted on 10/16/2013 10:37:37 AM PDT by pfony1
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