Posted on 10/18/2013 5:15:28 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
The bargain rushed through Congress on Wednesday night clobbers the U.S. Constitution. It shifts control over the debt ceiling from Congress to the president, in violation of Article 1, Section 8, and pushes the nation toward a slippery slope of allowing the president unlimited power to borrow.
The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that Congress can't surrender its powers to another branch of government or change how laws are made (INS v. Chadha, 1983). But that's what the deal concocted Wednesday night does.
Instead of raising the debt ceiling, the Default Prevention Act of 2013 suspends it and shifts power to the president to determine how much the nation should borrow.
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How can Congress impeach themselves for their own treasonous actions?
Obama could not rent a car because his credit cards were maxed ,so 20 trillion this time next year
But hey, just keep voting for one or the other of the two on the ballot. That will save our republican freedoms.
We have witnessed the death of our Republic.
The body politic just hasn’t noticed yet.
:)
On Thomas Register, I looked at the bill that seemed to allow the president to top the ceiling with congress having the authority to disapprove. Senate seemed to hold the power...not sure if I read that correctly..legal mumbo jumbo. Perhaps someone with more legal ease can translate.
So this is what Obama meant when he said “no” when asked if he’d have to negotiate the debt ceiling again in January? Oughta be one hell of a State of the Union Address.
Shifts the power, forcing Congress to have to veto obama/soeotoro`s spending by a 2/3 majority:
Senate deal apparently includes a provision that would take away the Congress’ power to increase the debt ceiling
The most interesting part of this proposal? It was originally floated in 2011 by Republican leader Sen. Mitch McConnell.
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Thank you;^)
I favor a divorce.
Seeker41, it appears that Congress did, in fact, retain the ability to negate an increase to the debt ceiling by the executive. However, since that negation is by means of legislation, there doesn’t appear to be any mechanism to preclude the executive from meeting that legislation with a veto.
So, the real negation would then require a two-thirds vote of the House to override the veto.
I will defer to the fine legal minds here on FR for the straight skinny on this, but that is my understanding.
More dangerous is the precedent this is setting for the future. We need to find a way to get this to SCOTUS for review.
Thank you for that, trying to decipher that crap gave me a headache.
/johnny
Since the whole thing makes like a pumpkin on Feb 8th, I don't think there is time for the Supremes to get involved. That's when the law expires, Obama can't raise the debt limit, and we revert to the old law, or congress passes a new law.
It sucks that they did this at all, but really looking at it an how long it lasts, and what it means makes me somewhat more comfortable.
Obama still can't spend money that hasn't been appropriated by congress.
/johnny
Can we blame the GOPe for caving now?
R.I.P., GOP Congress' check on borrowing is so diminished as to be laughable. It will now require a two-thirds vote — a supermajority — in both houses to "disapprove" the president's decision on what the debt ceiling should be. No real negotiating, as all previous presidents have had to do."
If all that is true, wouldn’t it mean that Obama and co. can no longer use the threat of default to get the GOP to play ball when it comes to funding the government?
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