[MinuteGal]

It appears the anti-Morman threads are revving up again. Last year, the obsessive hate campaign was so bad that I know freepers who quit or who lowered their donations in disgust.

It's the same obsessed actors again, the same old arguments, the same vitriol and disrespect. It makes a laughing-stock of FR and causes unease and discomfort for those who appreciate, respect and wish to maintain this board's reputation.

The intolerant stirring-up against the Mormans goes on and on with no end in sight. I have known and worked with Mormans in my adult career and I have found them to be decent, honorable, honest, hardworking, patriotic Americans. But yet we find constant attacks and calumny directed at them and their faith in countless lengthy threads.

Am I a voice crying in the wilderness here?

Leni

[Anton.Rutter]

What did the “anti-Mormans” say that was a lie?

[saminfl]

The intolerant stirring-up against the Mormans goes on and on with no end in sight. I have known and worked with Mormans in my adult career and I have found them to be decent, honorable, honest, hardworking, patriotic Americans. But yet we find constant attacks and calumny directed at them and their faith in countless lengthy threads.

Leni, I have had, and still have the same experience as you with Mormons.

[Matchett-PI]

"Am I a voice crying in the wilderness here?"

No. The "fundamentalist" Bible-thumping zealots on this board are (yes, I mean to use this word), legion. While claiming to be for "the Constitution", they never-the-less want to deny each INDIVIDUAL the freedom to hold his/her own personal religious beliefs without disrespectful harassment. If given the power to do it, many of these intolerant factions would not hesitate to impose their brand of religion, BY FORCE of law if necessary, on everyone else. Indeed,in this, they are merely the so-called "Christian" flip-side of the Islamic fundamentalists.

C. S. Lewis: "If we must have a tyrant a robber barron is far better than an inquisitor. The baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity at some point may be sated; and since he dimly knows he is doing wrong he may possibly repent. But the inquisitor who mistakes his own cruelty and lust of power and fear for the voice of Heaven will torment us infinitely more because he torments us with the approval of his own conscience and his better impulses appear to him as temptations. And since Theocracy is the worst, the nearer any government approaches to Theocracy the worse it will be. A metaphysic held by the rulers with the force of a religion, is a bad sign. It forbids them, like the inquisitor, to admit any grain of truth or good in their opponents, it abrogates the ordinary rules of morality, and it gives a seemingly high, super-personal sanction to all the very ordinary human passions by which, like other men, the rulers will frequently be actuated. In a word, it forbids wholesome doubt. A political programme can never in reality be more than probably right. We never know all the facts about the present and we can only guess the future. To attach to a party programme--whose highest claim is to reasonable prudence--the sort of assent which we should reserve for demonstrable theorems, is a kind of intoxication (75-76). ~ C.S. Lewis (Lewis addresses theocracy (the most potent form of Religious involvement in government) in an essay entitled, "A Reply to Professor Haldane" On Sotries. ed. Walter Hooper. Harcort & Brace Co. Orlando, Florida. 1996.)

bttt

[ken5050]

FYI..see #350...and just skim the comments on this recent thread

[ken5050]

Yup......

good morning....the best advice I can give you is to just ignore them..like you would an obscene phone caller...jutst hang up...

[martiangohome]

Nah. It’s just a small number of Bible thumper nutjobs. It’s too bad FreeRepublic doesn’t have a clown filter or a block function for these maroons...nothing they post is worth spit.

[SZonian]

I have had no quarrel with you as far as I can remember, but your words have stirred up something in me that I cannot ignore. Since you are taking an anonymous swipe at folks like me because of your generalizations, I am compelled to respond.

I would venture that posts like yours do much the same thing towards Christians who challenge the doctrine and teachings of mormonism, regardless of how nice they are.

I will grant that there are some who may be quite snarky or sarcastic, but at the same time, would you believe that mormons have accused FReepers of being responsible for murder? I seriously doubt any of you would...but it is true.

You and folks like you do much to poison the efforts of sincere Christians who have accepted the challenge from mormon leaders themselves to scrutinize and challenge mormon doctrine.

As an ex-mormon, married to a devout mormon, I KNOW first hand how nice they can be...I interact with many on a first name basis in many situations and venues.

But that is not the point and I believe many of you know it. You just lack the moral fortitude to engage the doctrinal problems inherent in mormonism and instead, use those who would as some kind of personal pinata.

[elcid1970]

At least learn to spell “Mormon”, and have a Merry Smithmas!

[mountainfolk]

Maybe others have already experienced this, but a word of advice to those who have not. Answering ANY of the anti Mormon posts is not productive unless you agree with their views. Your reply to that poster will be used to spam pages of anti Mormon material to your own posted page. It is obvious that a handful of anti Mormon posters have little to do besides troll for new opportunities to continue their personal vendetta against the Mormon religion and Mormon followers. I am not a Mormon but I respect their choice to worship the same God I do in their own way. Additionally, over the years we have met a number of Mormons in leadership positions who gained our respect for diligence and honesty.

[Elsie]

Last year, the obsessive hate campaign was so bad that I know freepers who quit or who lowered their donations in disgust.

Yeah; it's just TERRIBLE when HATE like that is revealed!

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

The intolerant stirring-up against the Mormans goes on and on with no end in sight.

Hi!

We're here to tell you that ALL of Christianity is wrong.

Wanna give us a few moments of your time?

[Elsie]

It's the same obsessed actors again...

I see you've cleaned out your desk and found the old memo...

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

April 21st, 2012

URGENT!

Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!

 

Hot diggity dog; our boy has MADE it!!

Now beware; for the media is gonna be on us like... well; you know the saying.

I've been getting lots of feedback from those of you on Free Republic (spit) about a certain ELSIE (or something like that), who is REALLY giving us a hard time there!

 

Why not try to point out to the uninformed how OBSESSED he seems to be.

 

Let's see if we can tangle him up so much trying to defend his reputation

that he'll no longer have as much time to post facts about MORMONism.

 

As always, Tommy M.  

 

(Keep pressing that we are CHRISTIAN and avoid anything MORMON like the DEVIL!!)

[Elsie]

...that I know freepers who quit or who lowered their donations in disgust.

All Mormons?

[greyfoxx39]

The intolerant stirring-up against the Mormans goes on and on with no end in sight.

Salt Lake City—"Since the October 2012 announcement that men can begin Mormon missionary service at age 18 and women at 19, the ranks of Mormon missionaries have swelled. Prior to the announcement, 58,500 missionaries were serving; as of this week, that number is now 75,000.

These missionaries are trespassing on the properties of and knocking on the doors of Christians and proclaiming that their Christian faith is bogus and the only way to salvation is through arcane rituals in mormon temples.

We find it hilarious that you mormonism defenders get your underwear in a knot about the posting of factual mormon doctrine from mormon sources by a few dozen FReepers at the same time that mormon leaders are bragging about the following:

We are grateful for the 75,000 full-time missionaries serving in more than 150 countries.16 The sun never sets on righteous missionaries testifying of the Savior mormon church. Think of the spiritual power of 75000 missionaries, endowed with the Spirit of the Lord Joseph Smith, boldly declaring that there is “no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come … , only in and through the name of Christ. mormon church temple rituals

"My young brethren of the priesthood, I testify of the majesty, but most of all, of the certainty of this magnificent event. The Savior lives. He will return to the earth (the Second Coming) . And whether on this side of the veil or the other, you and I will rejoice in His coming and thank the Lord that He sent us to earth at this time to fulfill our sacred duty of helping prepare the world for His return the mormon theocracy

."other people, who may not yield full obedience to his laws, nor be fully instructed in his covenants, will, nevertheless, have to yield full obedience to his government. For it will be the reign of God upon the earth, and he will enforce his laws, and command that obedience from the nations of the world which is legitimately his right” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: John Taylor [2001], 225).

The "intolerance" is mormonism claiming to be The ONLY true and living church

"A revelation given to the Prophet Joseph Smith in 1831, soon after the organization of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, spoke of those who had been given “power to lay the foundation of this church.” The Lord then referred to the Church as “the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased” (D&C 1:30)."

[Road Warrior ‘04]

Your words are well taken! I stopped reading after the first page of posts. The vitriol and hate, for Mormons, is despicable. Thank you for your post! I’m outta here...for this thread.