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To: Kaslin

RedState says the Upton bill is a trap:

EXCERPT:

IT’s A Trap!
Republicans are walking into a trap and they don’t even realize it.

They are about to consider, in the House of Representatives, legislation by Congressman Upton that would allow people to keep their insurance plans.

There’s a problem though. It is widely acknowledged that Congressman Upton’s legislation is more messaging than substance. His legislation does not have anything in it that can force insurance companies, in the topsy-turvy world of Obamacare, to keep insurance plans going.

But there is a plan than does. Senator Mary Landrieu has written legislation in the United States Senate that the Democrats love. It mandates insurance companies have to keep people on their present insurance. The GOP is supposedly against mandates and against government forcing private businesses and individuals into contracts they don’t want.

Here’s what is going to happen.

The House, with the help of a good number of Democrats, will pass the Upton plan and send it to the Senate. Harry Reid will substitute the Landrieu plan and send it back to the House. The House will be forced to either vote for the Landrieu plan or be characterized as siding with insurance companies against people.

In one fell swoop, the Democrats will have the GOP on record saving Mary Landrieu’s re-election in Louisiana by casting her as the one who saved Americans’ health care plans, and also getting on record as really being in favor of fixing Obamacare with the use of mandates.

In truth, Obamacare is not fixable. The only solution is to fully repeal it. The Republicans should not be helping Democrats with their re-election plans, which is all the are doing with Upton/Landrieu.

The GOP is walking right into the trap.

http://www.redstate.com/2013/11/13/its-a-trap/


4 posted on 11/13/2013 4:50:48 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: SC_Pete
The only solution is to fully repeal it.

Or they could simply do away with all mandates, such as PSA exams for women. Go back to where individuals could pick and choose their own plan, and obamacare will wither and die.
5 posted on 11/13/2013 4:54:11 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SC_Pete

-— The GOP is walking right into the trap. -—

Unnnnngh.


6 posted on 11/13/2013 4:56:08 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: SC_Pete

Health insurance companies are also culprits in this Obamacare scam. Many want to eliminate the individual policy market in exchange for a larger mandatory market. More policies with higher premiums would be sold under Obamacare then current system. In other words many large health insurance companies love Obamacare because it is a law that requires all citizens to buy their products. Just look at their stock prices after Obamacare passed.
I say go ahead and vote for the Senate version. Burn the insurance companies for scheming. At the same time in the long run the Democrat Obamacare will be deprived of healthy and young policy holders thus imploding the policy several years down the road.
The real culprits, Dems and Health Insurance companies will be burned for the scheme they hatched.


9 posted on 11/13/2013 5:01:54 PM PST by Fee
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To: SC_Pete

If Obama’s Socialized Health Insurance Tax, (OSHIT), has little or no chance of financial success in 5 years, then why do Federal politicians in “both” political parties try to fix or replace instead of ABOLISH Obamacare?


22 posted on 11/13/2013 5:33:33 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: SC_Pete

SC Pete,

Its a “Trap” that effectively kills Obamacare by sending it into a death spiral. That is what the Dem bill would do as proposed.

The Repub bill, on the other hand, effectively removes the mandated coverage portion of the bill by allowing non-exchange insurance to be offered with minimalist options... to everyone! Who in their right mind would then buy the more expensive plans at that point? The end results will be InsCos pull out of the exchange and they collapse as we slowly go back to what we had prior

Not a bad trap to get caught in


34 posted on 11/13/2013 5:52:27 PM PST by Nahhh I Dont Think So
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To: SC_Pete

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00004133

Fred Upton

Top 5 Contributors, 2013-2014, Campaign Cmte
Contributor Total Indivs PACs
Blue Cross/Blue Shield $10,500 $500 $10,000
Steptoe & Johnson $10,200 $5,200 $5,000
Berkshire Hathaway $10,000 $0 $10,000
Boeing Co $10,000 $0 $10,000
CenturyLink $10,000 $0 $10,000

Top 5 Industries, 2013-2014, Campaign Cmte
Industry Total Indivs PACs
Health Professionals $139,000 $16,000 $123,000
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $92,900 $3,900 $89,000
Electric Utilities $86,500 $1,500 $85,000
Oil & Gas $76,750 $5,750 $71,000
Lawyers/Law Firms $56,900 $17,900 $39,000


39 posted on 11/13/2013 5:57:58 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: SC_Pete

The Pubbies must only back a Dimocrat ObamaRobertscare fix plan. Any R fix plan will allow the WH & MSM the opportunity to shift the blame to the Republicans. Don’t be stupid this time.


47 posted on 11/13/2013 6:17:45 PM PST by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: SC_Pete

SC Pete,

Its a “Trap” that effectively kills Obamacare by sending it into a death spiral. That is what the Dem bill would do as proposed.

The Repub bill, on the other hand, effectively removes the mandated coverage portion of the bill by allowing non-exchange insurance to be offered with minimalist options... to everyone! Who in their right mind would then buy the more expensive plans at that point? The end results will be InsCos pull out of the exchange and they collapse as we slowly go back to what we had prior

Not a bad trap to get caught in


53 posted on 11/13/2013 7:06:15 PM PST by Nahhh I Dont Think So
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To: SC_Pete
IT’s A Trap!

1. It's a poison pill.
2. The carriers can't/won't resurrect the old plans.
3. If a law is passed forcing insurance companies to
resurrect old plans it will be litigated into the next decade.
4. Upton bill will probably not pass.

54 posted on 11/13/2013 7:49:33 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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