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Obamacare Architect: Genetic "Lottery Winners" Have Been Paying An "Artificially Low Price"
Real Clear Politics ^ | Nov 13, 2013 | Staff

Posted on 11/14/2013 9:44:04 AM PST by C19fan

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To: C19fan

But Johnny would scoff at that idea. He would surely argue that his life of study and achievement entitled him to the rewards of his personal sacrifice and perseverance. And he would still argue that others (who he personally looks down upon) should not be rewarded for their own behaviors and choices.


61 posted on 11/14/2013 10:50:54 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: running_dog_lackey

“well, everyone except the ruling class - we have to be free to do as we will because fettering us with those same rules would be detrimental to society...”


62 posted on 11/14/2013 10:52:05 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: C19fan
So Gruber is the new Handicapper General who will be giving the intelligent distracting noise-making hearing 'aids' and inducing scoliosis in the tall?

The desire to over-rationalize life according to an imaginary standard of equality gives rise to lunatic irrationalism of this sort.

63 posted on 11/14/2013 11:03:39 AM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: C19fan
we'll have a fixed system where over 30 million people will now for the first time be able to access fairly price and guaranteed health insurance.

How is it a "fair price" if they're already sick? It's nothing but income transfer from the well. This isn't insurance, it's welfare.

64 posted on 11/14/2013 11:13:35 AM PST by JoeFromSidney ( book, RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY, available from Amazon.)
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To: MUDDOG

I read a lot of Vonnegut years ago, I don’t think I ever read Player Piano. I never read Harrison Bergeron either, I don’t think.

The ones I remember best are Cat’s Cradle (which I really liked, I think I might have read it more than once, very rare for me) and Slaughterhouse Five which I suppose is considered his masterpiece, but my recollection is that I found it very uneven.


65 posted on 11/14/2013 12:27:35 PM PST by jocon307
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To: sappy

Heavens NO!They’re The DemonRat Constituency!!!!!!!!!!!!


66 posted on 11/14/2013 12:38:16 PM PST by bandleader
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To: C19fan
”The only way to end that discriminatory system is to bring everyone into the system

So genes are discriminatory?

So they're now saying that some genetic combinations ARE preferable or better than others?

So when we apply that notion to, oh say, violent crime rates... *ahem*

67 posted on 11/14/2013 12:49:00 PM PST by Teacher317 (Obama is failing faster than I can lower my expectations.)
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Ice-nine in "Cat's Cradle" is one of the all-time great sci-fi creations.

"Slaughterhouse Five" is very imaginative also in its concept of time.

His books are quite funny as well.

68 posted on 11/14/2013 1:10:12 PM PST by MUDDOG
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“Ice-nine in “Cat’s Cradle” is one of the all-time great sci-fi creations.”

Yes, although I’m not a big sci fi person. I also love the concepts of people being cosmically linked in a “durprass” (just 2 people) or a “karass” (a larger group). That seemed quite true to me.

Another thing I liked about him was that he was the first author I read (and this was in later books I think) who’d describe a character as “white” instead of just having that be assumed.

Eh, I hope that doesn’t make me sound like a lib myself, which I never was; but I did grow up in multi-culti NYC and we’d always describe people as “a white guy” (or a black guy, or a spanish guy, or a chinese guy, NYC was not as multi-culti as it is now)


69 posted on 11/14/2013 1:35:10 PM PST by jocon307
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To: C19fan

This meme of the ‘genetic lottery’ is not a new idea.

Guess who coined it?

Warren Buffet. He gave a speech at a legislative breakfast, and the theme was that Buffet had won the ‘Ovary Lottery’, as he called it.

He laid it out:

“I was born white, in the US, to rich parents . . .”

the punch line was - “I’ve done what I’ve done NOT because I’m good, but because I was completely lucky, and as such, I’m ready to have the sh!t taxed out of me.”

I got this account from a former US Senator that was sitting in the room while Buffett gave the speech.

Nothing like having ‘fairness’ imposed on you. Paging Harrison Bergeron.


70 posted on 11/14/2013 1:42:05 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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first author... who'd describe a character as “white” instead of just having that be assumed.

Interesting point. I never thought of it before, but now that you mention it, I see it.

71 posted on 11/14/2013 1:47:18 PM PST by MUDDOG
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To: Billthedrill

How about if I pay an arm AND a leg?


72 posted on 11/14/2013 1:53:56 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: C19fan

I am a genetic lottery winner. Despite multiple health issues in my family tree, including some that I know are serious personal risks, I have kept my health good. I eat moderately and from scratch most of the time. I exercise very seriously six days a week. I don’t smoke (anything) or use drugs. I drink moderately. And, presumably by coi9cidence, my health issues have been minimal. It’s amazing how many people who make healthy choices have won the genetic lottery.


73 posted on 11/14/2013 2:15:30 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Regulator

BTTT!


74 posted on 11/15/2013 6:08:38 PM PST by Pagey (HELL is The 2nd Term of a POTUS who uses the terms “social justice” and “fair distribution".)
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To: C19fan
Every time I think the left has gone too far around the insanity bend, they go farther.

I just don't think there is much more crazy to go.

75 posted on 11/15/2013 6:10:55 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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GRUBER: Exactly. It's 12 million people, about a third of which will end up paying more under this law.

More "divide and conquer" class-type warfare from the extremist left-wing li(e)berals.

As we're now seeing reported all over the place, those 12,000,000 people (NOT a trivial amount!) aren't just paying "more" ... they're paying 2x, 3x, 4x more for coverage they do not need!

Now let's talk about those with pre-existing conditions such as myself: No, we're NOT being subsidized by the "healthy" - we're also paying 3x - 5x more in premiums PLUS having our deductibles doubled and are also paying MORE for the medications we need.

Add to that the fact that the Obamacare legislation has reduced by 50% the amount that can be put away pre-tax to pay for ongoing medical expenses - yet another TAX INCREASE on those with chronic or long-term health conditions.

Anyone who thinks Obamacare is a "good deal" for those with chronic health conditions is kidding themselves. I fully sympathize with those who are healthy and are watching their premiums skyrocket for no other reason than Obama and his left-wing radical extremists want to "redistribute the wealth" here. It's wrong.

Personally I'm happy paying for my own coverage and paying for what I need & use, don't need the "subsidies" (I don't qualify for them anyway.) The folks I see this bullshit "law" hurting the most are the younger generations who are "subsidizing" (read that: having what little wealth they can create for themselves STOLEN) the older generation.

"Obamacare" is yet another ponzi scheme like Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc.. It's a productivity killer, economy killer, soul-killer and with its embedded eugenics practice (read that: DEATH PANELS) it's a population killer.

76 posted on 11/15/2013 6:20:26 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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Jonathan Gruber: The only way to end that discriminatory system is to bring everyone into the system and pay one fair price. That means that the genetic winners, the lottery winners who've been paying an artificially low price because of this discrimination now will have to pay more in return.

Death panels of a sort, even if you're not sick.

77 posted on 11/18/2013 11:18:21 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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