Just one more....HIDDEN IN PLAIN VIEW: The Zapruder Film and the Shot that Missed

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/scearce.htm ^ | November 27th, 2007 | Kenneth R. Scearce

[John S Mosby]

Respectfully, brain and blood spatter patterns are well-defined in forensics. Horrific as it is, the compression of brain matter by the impact of an FMJ round, would spray matter (and micronize the water based particles into a mist) in all directions- to the rear as well as upwards and forwards in the trajectory.

[John S Mosby]

It happened rather more closely directly in front of Mrs. Kennedy and Mrs. Connelly, and in full view of a loyal Secret Service agent. Eyewitnesses are important in immediacy to the event, memories not so much.

[John S Mosby]

Bugliosi’s work was excellent, cogent and scholarly, and recognized clearly the agendas driving various conspiracy theories. There were/are many.

The Catholic vs. Protestant WASP aristocracy is one (the prods being aligned with the Cubans and or the Soviets—huh? in 1963? and aligned with the anti-Vietnam war effort with the Jew media. Right uh-huh).
Illuminati and the Masons.

Then we have whacked out hollyweird:
Oliver Stone is a socio/psychopathic liar with opportunism as his main goal. Facts are inconvenient to the lie to be told for a purpose. He belongs in a ward. Reminds one of alan grayson oddly enough.

[John S Mosby]

Enjoy your fantasy. My point made by your post here. The public wishes to be played... will be. Anger and emotion always cloud reason, and supply the impetus for statements like “simple display of physics I’ve just witnessed”. Watched a movie or... you were there? Write a book— so many have based on far less, and the point I was making writ large.

Reflex/neurophysiology forensic examination explains the motion. Digitized spatter pattern studies also corroborate.

Far be it for a field that has made great advances to counter what “lying eyes” can see. Because of course, seeing is believing, and the “movie” is holy writ. Hollywood here we come. Deo Vindice.

[politicianslie]

Yes I read enough of Bugloisi's book to realize that he is an excellent researcher but he is so technically incompetent that I laughed about his claims and conclusions.

If you want to refute what I show, address it technically, not lawerize hand waving that quotes what others say. No one has ever shown before John Connally's rapid movement forward and his head snap and tied it to the shot that hit him in the back. Tell me how John Connally got thrown forward immediately after JFK was shot in the head. How did he move like that? A simple back of the envelope calculation will show you that Nellie could not have thrown John forward before she pulled him over into her lap, she was not strong enough to do that.

So what happened? The audio evidence indicates a shot was fired from behind 0.7 seconds after JFK was shot in the head. We have John Connally making one of the quickest movements in the Zapruder film exactly when other independent evidence shows a shot was fired. Find one other book that shows Connally's rapid movement and ties it to the acoustical evidence showing the last shot was fired at that exact moment. Bugliosi claims he addressed all of the other "guesses" but he never seriously addresses the multitude of witnesses who say they heard BANG-BANG.

You have three things together that indicate the last two shots were fired a split second apart, BANG-BANG.

1. MANY witnesses said they heard the last two shots BANG-BANG

2. The acoustical evidence indicates the last two shots were fired 0.7 seconds apart

3. John Connally is thrown forward a split second after JFK is shot in the head starting 0.7 seconds after JFK is shot in the head.

4. John Connally says in many of the interviews he did that the blow to his back bent him over. When is he bent over? A split second AFTER JFK was shot in the head

5. John Connally turned after he first reacted after the sign to look over his right shoulder. He says he didn't see anything out of the ordinary and was turning back toward his left to look back when he was bent over.

Question to you about #5: How did Connally turn around when he had a major exit wound about the size of a baseball in his chest?

Why is there no blood on Connally's shirt from his first reaction to a shot (about Z frame 224) all the way up to JFK's head shot? You can clearly see his right wrist and his shirt. No blood? How is that possible? Nellie described the exit wound in his chest "about the size of a baseball."

The simple answer of course is that John Connally was not shot in the back until a split second after JFK was shot in the head, then it all makes sense. For that to be true, the US government had to forge, create, destroy evidence and harass witnesses. You have a huge dilemma because no one has seriously asked these question before because everyone has bought at least some of the US government's lies.

NOVA The NOVA show you reference used evidence which the US government forged to reach their conclusions. How can anybody get a right answer if they use fraudulent evidence? The US government was able to pull this off because EVERYONE else used some of the government's evidence. You probably know that the FBI confiscated all of the Dallas evidence. Obviously, if you were going to look at the possibility the US government was involved in the assassination, you would NOT be able to use any of the government's evidence. I only use evidence the US government did not or could not have forged, nobody else did that.

Here is the real bomb shell: Either the acoustical evidence is invalid OR the US government forged a massive amount of evidence and information.

It's not so bad. You were taken in by a scam just like millions before you. Now you know why George laughed at you a few years ago. He couldn't help himself:

Smiling about a deluded gunman who killed JFK

And don't forget that there is no debate that 4.8 seconds is in BOTH the Zapruder film and the acoustical analysis as the time between two of the shots. Therefore you must explain how the acoustical experts picked 4.8 seconds from random noise. What is the probability that the grassy knoll shot which had 26 identifiable echoes statistically matched the actual recording unless the sounds of the shots were actually recorded?

This paper should help you in your research.

http://www.ctka.net/thomas.pdf

There is one thing I am not telling you and it is a big part of the reason the JFK assassination "experts" ruled out the possibility that John Connally was shot in the back much later than about Z240. You need to explain that too as it is a big reason the US government was able to make Americans look like complete fools for a half century.

The US government learned how to tell huge lies a half century ago. You cannot understand US history since that time unless you understand how the lies hid the truth from Americans. It has been so easy to BS America. When Obama looked the world at the world and lied about Benghazi, he wasn't worried about the press exposing his lies. Hussein knows the press has been reduced to a pack of fools who will not cross him. In some ways, Hussein Obama has been made possible by the lies told 50 years ago.

Watch this again and cry for our country, not the fact that you and millions have been lied to.

Showing the bullet that hit John Connally in the back had sufficient momentum to bend him over which is what he said happened

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John Connally himself says

” The third shot, even though I didn’t see the President, I felt the matter all over me, and I could see it all over the car.”

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/mobile/JFKconnally_full.htm

I’ve read other remarks where Connally says he saw all manner of Kennedy’s brains and Connally was in the front seat.

Nevertheless, Connally doesn’t buy the official story as well.

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“I don’t know what film you are looking at but the zapruder film clearly shows JFK’s head moving back and to the left.”

I can’t argue with someone who has seen combat wounds.

[21twelve]

The Newmans that I mentioned were giving their account just a few minutes after the shooting at the TV station. A reporter on the scene brought them in to tell what they saw. Reports from the hospital that JFK was still alive were still coming in.

That said - even witnesses watching the same event have different versions, saw and heard different things. And also interpret things differently or wrong.

Mr. Newman says the shots came from behind him on the grassy knoll. And many others, including cops, run up there. He also states a shot to the right temple. Now - is the blood and material coming from what might be construed as the the right temple area be interpreted as a shot to the temple? But in reality is a shot from behind by Oswald? Very well could be.

And the shots from the grassy knoll? If you think the shot was to the temple, then the shots would be from the knoll. But I wonder if the shots echoed off of the wall? But then the time delay of seeing the splatter and then hearing the shot would be apparent I would think? I imagine people have looked into the echoes.

It doesn't matter much to me - but I guess it is sort of fun to sleuth it out a bit once in awhile. And I do like conspiracy theories, not that I necessarily believe in all of them.

[nikos1121]

I thought on NOVA they correlated the gun shots with a police motorcycle radio recording.

Your entire bang bang theory rests on unproven premise that there were two people shooting. That no one saw the person, or heard the rifle fire.

The manifest weight of evidence has to be looked at in total, and everything points to Oswald doing it including the guy’s persona, and his ability to do this himself.

[nikos1121]

I agree with you, but read some of the people here. They are fanatics.

[John S Mosby]

Years ago, 20 or so, when in Dallas did the “tour” of Depository and the timeline locations of that day, with a fanatic friend in surgical residency there who dragged me along. Walked up the “grassy knoll” to the purported location of a shooter. It is no long distance at all- maybe 60 feet, and any number of people on that day would have immediately known a shot came from there if it had(shooter said to be from behind a fence which was rebuilt there, and borders on a parking lot. In 63 it also contained the railroad yardmaster’s tower—those in there would have seen anyone). Physical study of the distances and the area (along with the official investigations) made any other shooter implausible.
People want to believe otherwise. It would have been so much better for the US than to have had LBJ and the subsequent march of misery he created for all time with victim classes vs. a president that asked people to not look to the govt. for solutions.

[21twelve]

Side-tracking with a long excerpt from Palin’s facebook page, and a post she made on JFK’s death backs up your statement that things would have been far different if JFK had lived:

President John F. Kennedy was remembered and honored today in Dallas. A memorial plaque was unveiled at Dealey Plaza, inscribed with a beautiful quote that I discuss in my book “Good Tidings and Great Joy.” I also used the quote in my Southeastern University speech and would like to share the excerpt from “Good Tidings and Great Joy” (pgs. 130-132):

….During my speech, I recited one of my favorite quotes to the students, faculty, and Southeastern supporters:

“We in this country, in this generation, are—by destiny rather than choice—the watchmen on the walls of world freedom. We ask, therefore, that we may be worthy of our power and responsibility, that we may exercise our strength with wisdom and restraint, and that we may achieve in our time and for all time the ancient vision of ‘peace on earth, goodwill toward men.’ That must always be our goal, and the righteousness of our cause must always underlie our strength. For as was written long ago: ‘except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.’”

The source of this quote? Which right-wing pundit called America the “watchman on the walls” for the world? What radical televangelist just had to add a Bible verse in there for good measure?

The answer might surprise you. The above quote would be ridiculously polarizing in today’s über-partisan culture— if a Republican leader uttered it, I could easily imagine the “talking heads” on television immediately dissecting it:

“What does it mean our country is a nation ‘of destiny’?”

“How patronizing to call ourselves the ‘watchmen’ of the world.”

“Since when did America begin to have the market on ‘righteousness’?”

“So now the whole country has to be kept by ‘the Lord’? Whose Lord?”

What my audience may not have known is that the above words are excerpted from a speech John F. Kennedy was scheduled to deliver on November 22, 1963. Tragically, he never got to the podium that day, because he was assassinated in Dallas en route in his motorcade. Years later, his prepared remarks were released to the public, and we were finally able to see the significant message he intended to deliver that fateful day.

I especially love JFK’s quote from Psalm 127: “Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.”

Kennedy was going to invoke God’s protection on our country so that we might live up to our responsibility in the world….

Today, as we remember JFK, may we renew our commitment to live up to our responsibility as the abiding beacon of liberty in a troubled world. May we keep faith with all of those who, like President Kennedy, gave their lives in service to our country. And may the Lord always bless and protect America.

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Thank you for sharing this.

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This is interesting, not sure if this story from the November 11th, 2013 Daily Mail was published, John Kerry is actually related to Ruth Paine, Oswald stayed with the Paines, actually, more like Marina stayed with the Paines and Lee Harvey Oswald allegedly stashed his rifle in the garage there in Irving Texas and spent his last night before the assassination there I would believe is how the story goes.

Ruth Paine’s words on Conspiracies is interesting.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2501424/EXCLUSIVE-John-Kerry-relative-got-Lee-Harvey-Oswald-book-depository-job-disputes-secretary-states-doubts-assassin-acted-alone.html

“Ruth Paine married John Kerry’s second cousin, and also knew JFK’s assassin and his Russian wife Marina”

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2501424/EXCLUSIVE-John-Kerry-relative-got-Lee-Harvey-Oswald-book-depository-job-disputes-secretary-states-doubts-assassin-acted-alone.html#ixzz2loi25jgN
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[editor-surveyor]

So Oswald was a treasury agent?

[editor-surveyor]

>> “LBJ was a crook.” <<

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That he was, but he had nothing to do with the assassination, it came down from way above him.

[editor-surveyor]

The “massive” wound to his head was an exit wound, so Oswald is not even in consideration as its source.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “Blows my mind that so many people can reject such incontrovertible visual evidence” <<

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Doesn’t blow mine, read my tagline.

[Windflier]

Read on. The thread gets even better.

[editor-surveyor]

sKerry!

[John S Mosby]

Once again, Sarah is succinct and relevant vs. the complete idiocy of the media-ocracy of morons and wagon riders (on the teat of govt. largesse as the PR firm for the kleptocracy in office (lot of -ocracies in this sentence, just like in our society today).

LBJ began the long road to serfdom through the Great Society and the War on Poverty, and the alphabet soup of agencies to dole out money to people who grafted it or generally should have found real work— like the rest of us who had to keep paying a greater part of GDP every year. Nixon perpetuated it even as he wound down Vietnam, and tried to aggrandize himself with the same liberal media, and himself was a Progressive (no matter what the libs said about him, he was anti-communist through big govt. as a Cold War strategy for political control— but he gave us the EPA, a nightmare template for the greens/reds to control our economy as they are now doing without legal authority and a toothless Congress to cut them off). We are now dividing up the chairs on the Titanic, when we should be building lifeboats. Thanks, FRiend, for Sarah’s page. Doubtless it will be ignored by the “inconvenient truths” the media cannot tolerate from their own sacred Camelot, JFK, and the very same family who put obama on the campaign and in office (aside from the Clinton payoff— how they roll). The Democrat party qualifies for RICO prosecution— it is a criminal conspiracy that is identifiable and provable unlike the assassination theory nuts.