Mandate Debate: Why I Cannot Support Hobby Lobby’s “Religious Freedom” Claim

ReligiousLiberty.TV ^ | 11/27/2013 | Jason Hines

[Steve_Seattle]

"How great it is to have a loving God who gives me the freedom to make my own decisions and gives me the tools to make the right ones instead of a God who tries to coerce me into His righteousness by burdening my decisions any way He can. Now if we can just get His followers to do the same…."

What a cynical idiot. This pathetic argument could be used in defense of anarchism - how dare anyone coerce others by passing ANY law requiring or preventing something! In supporting a government mandate, he offers an argument that would actually prohibit government mandates. The guy thinks he's being clever, but he's being stupid.

[SoFloFreeper]

College kid. Typical CRAP, and from Baylor. No surprise.

Let’s force this child to pay for my bullets. See how he likes that idea.

[Steve_Seattle]

"What a stupid article. The author can justify any type of evil government action based on his final argument."

Actually, I think he undermines his entire argument. He is basically saying that no one can force anyone to do anything because such coercion violates his principle of a laissez-faire God who forces no one to do aything. The author is saying - whether he realizes it or not - that government has no power to pass any laws whatsoever because all laws involve coercion.

[Redmen4ever]

The author thanks God for freedom and at the same time thanks government for taking freedom away.

[Secret Agent Man]

the crux of the case is whether you are going to be forced to give up religious beliefs if you run your own business.

the correct answer is you don’t.

this is not muslim cab drivers refusing a service dog either. this is not them forcing religious beliefs on customers.

the real issue here as well is obamacare was designed to force every citizen to fund abortion and contraceptives. since government can’t directly, it’mandates everyone buy insurance, and then mandates every acceptable’plan must include abortion and contrceptives. therefore forcing every person to give money that can and will fund abortions and ru-486.

[SgtHooper]

I can attest to that, firsthand!

[Arm_Bears]

Who is Jason Hines and why should I give a flying flip what he thinks?

[alnick]

Spot on!

[j_tull]

contraception covered by the mandate are against their religious beliefs and that they should not be paying to provide them for their customers.

Stopped reading right there.

[OrangeHoof]

What poor logic. First, Hobby Lobby is not paying for birth control for their customers but for their employees. I suspect he just identified the wrong group so I will let that slide.

Secondly, we already have other groups given exemptions for Obamacare en toto based on their religious beliefs. Why should a Christian-owned corporation not have that same right simply because they are not non-profit?

What Obamacare does is it strips businesses, insurers and individuals all of their right to negotiate a coverage plan that covers what they want to cover and not what they don’t. The government, instead, shoves a one-size-fits-all plan that uses the moral values of the liberal establishment (birth control, HIV care, sex changes -good, cigarette smoking and gun ownership -bad). It overreaches into decision government should have no right to make.

Employees also have rights to look elsewhere if they aren’t happy with the benefits of a particular employer. I’m guessing most employees at Hobby Lobby or Chick Fil-A support the moral values of the company’s ownership or they’d leave to find a job with a company more in line with their own values.

Of course, if you chip away at the Obama Oberreach, you are eventually left with a shell of the government power the bill was meant to have which is the real reason the courts will kill the appeal.

[RobbyS]

Well, why CAN’t the Jehovah Witnesses remove blood transfusion coverage from any insurance it buys to cover a worker? They think simply to avoid doing harm to the person affected. The insurance is a form of compensation for services, and to insist that it much uniformly apply to all workers is like insisting that all workers be paid the same salaries. Surely some discretion must be allowed the employer.

[RginTN]

This guy makes legal arguements and doesn’t even quote the Constitution.

The first amendment trumps obamacare.

[Vendome]

“If the Hobby Lobby Corporation doesn’t want to use contraception when it has sex, that is well within their rights. What their employees do, however, is none of their business. “

That being the case then why should Hobby Lobby be forced to support sexual activities or protect them the effects of such?

That responsibility belongs to the individual.

[TigersEye]

After all, I as a citizen do not have the free exercise right to burden other people’s healthcare.

What does that incoherent idiotic statement mean?

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Other people’s freedom is so inconvenient.

[DJ MacWoW]

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[TigersEye]

...and that their only problem really seems to be that the government is now obligating them to do what they were already doing.

That is reason enough to hang every politician who voted for 0bamaCare from a lamp post.

[rollo tomasi]

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[MrBambaLaMamba]

Obamacare is God’s will, STFU - Obama

[Alex Murphy]

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